Organic vs. regular layer feed

[ninjapoodles]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Here is a rebuttal written by Dennis Avery, an ardent spokesman for Modern commercial agriculture. Read his comments and compare it with the report by Badgely et al.

http://www.thetruthaboutorganicfoods.org/2007/09/14/“organic-abundance”-report-fatally-flawed/

Jim

Hmmmm...let's compare our sources for potential conflict of interest. On the one hand, University-based researchers. Check. On the other, "an ardent spokesman for modern commercial agriculture." Double-check. Wonder which source is more objective?​

 

[Jamie]

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Wanted to go OT for a moment, a lot of farmers here, I'm a commercial fisherman.

Pesticides bad, yes. But!

It is NPK(our 3 big fertilizing nutrients) that is literally destroying the ocean as we know it. NPK is good for plants, and algae too. Increased algae increases O2 consumption. Thus the fish move further and further off-shore, away from oxygen starved waters, to less safe spawning grounds, as marine coastal and wetland ecosystems are completely wiped out. Estimates I've seen lately are that we have already destroyed well over 70% of our wetlands already. Wetlands are the earth's bowels for on-land pollution. The Gulf Coast off the Mississippi is a great example, and has a 200 mile dead zone from farming run off.

Nothing kills me more than hearing a sport fisherman on the beach complaining that there are no fish and goes off cursing guys like me... it's your lawn, stupid.

Gentle with the earth, gentle with the fertilizer, organic or not.

 

[PAChickenChick]

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Wanted to go OT for a moment,
Nothing kills me more than hearing a sport fisherman on the beach complaining that there are no fish and goes off cursing guys like me... it's your lawn, stupid.

Gentle with the earth, gentle with the fertilizer, organic or not.

Hahaha...I just had to respond to this...I live in an upscale part of the "burbs" and always get ribbed for my lawn being loaded with weeds (dandilions and buttercups, which I think are cute) because all my neighbors have impecable lawns.

Hey, that's great and your lawn does look pretty....but I think my lawn looks pretty too...and I figure it's the way God wanted it to look...so since I'm happy with it....why mess with it.

 

[ninjapoodles]

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Bravo, Jamie. I annoyed my husband all gardening season with my refusal to "just go get a bag of fertilizer." I had never gardened myself before this year, and in doing research on growing methods, I was honestly shocked to learn about our NPK overkill crisis. And we're just cranking out more of the stuff all the time.

As for lawns, I guess I'm kinda harsh with mine. I won't even water it, much less fertilize it. Whatever grass can survive, seems to form a stronger root system. My lawn management system is pretty much all about timing/method of mowing. It seems to be working pretty well, and we live on a rocky hillside with very little topsoil.

 

[Jashdon]

Hey Silkiechicken,

Where do you get your local feed and what brand is it? Is it bagged or bulk? Do they also make an organic product? I might try to get the local farm co op to order it.

 

[modenacart]

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I completely agree. Though the regulations are getting better on the use organic, I would be carefully. Only about 7 years we learned in university that many foods that were labeled organic were just unwashed foods sold for a higher price. It has gotten better but buyer beware.

 

[modenacart]

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Here is a rebuttal written by Dennis Avery, an ardent spokesman for Modern commercial agriculture. Read his comments and compare it with the report by Badgely et al.

http://www.thetruthaboutorganicfoods.org/2007/09/14/“organic-abundance”-report-fatally-flawed/

Jim

Hmmmm...let's compare our sources for potential conflict of interest. On the one hand, University-based researchers. Check. On the other, "an ardent spokesman for modern commercial agriculture." Double-check. Wonder which source is more objective?

Just because it came out of a university doesn't mean its more objective. It needs to be repeatable.

 

[modenacart]

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Its so funny how people want to go to the old way or "wild" way. People live way longer now then in the past and animals as a general rule live way longer in captivity than in the wild.

I believe the reason there is so much more disease is, people are living longer and now we know what it is instead of everything being cold consumption or a fever.

 

[chickiedoodle]

Its true that we live longer, just as it is often true that domesticated animals live longer than their wild counterparts, but no on will ever convince me that a twinkie is better for me than a sponge cake made from home-grown chicken eggs and whole grain flour, and covered in our own sweet strawberries. Modern medicine has saved many lives--my twin sisters for a start--and many modern agricultural methods are great. However, we have a tendency to swing from one extreme to the other. Foraging our meals and living in vermin infested hovels is not healthy, but neither, I expect we are now discovering, is dumping chemicals on, in, and over everything we touch. Cancer has been around, and diagnosable, for a long time, and cancer is certainly on the rise in our country. I expect that is true of many diseases. Perhaps instead of "the old way" or "the new way" we should find a "different way" What price are we paying for our longevity?

 

[modenacart]

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Cancer has only be accurately dianosed for maybe 70 years or so. Now modern medicine is availible to many more people than before and doctors are much better trained. People back in the 50s went to the hospitible to die, now we go to be saved.