Overall coop height for 40ish hens

I have 1 coop that is 5 x 5 but only 3 feet high it is on stilts with flaps that open with a 5 x 5 run that is kept open to a 40 by 50 foot fenced yard. One hen lives there. lol My other girls were picking on her to the point they almost killed her so she packed her bedding and moved out into her own place. I want to get her a friend because she gets lonely. I spend time with her though as much as I can. She loves company and follows you around like a puppy.
 
8x16x5.5 feet.

Too small and too short for 40 birds... Especially in the winter when they are cooped up a week at a time. Why so short? Dead air? What does that mean? You cannot have a coop that keeps in the warmth, that would be inadequately ventilated if it kept the warmth in.

Go bigger, taller, size matters.

Gary
 
Good morning
I am fairly new to chicken raising and we have 16 hens currently and are raising another 25 chicks. I am ready to build a bigger coop and I was hoping to build a saltbox coop with these dimensions. 8x16x5.5 feet. Is this tall enough for the birds. We live in NYS and have very hard winters so I'm trying to minimize the dead air space.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Hi! Welcome to the forum.

You are as important as your chickens. I think more important. You need to be able to walk into a walk-in coop and be able to move without banging into things, especially the ceiling. Your chickens will be better off if you are comfortable taking care of them. They will suffer if you suffer.

In New York State you will have some pretty warm summers. Heat can be more deadly than cold. With their down coats they can handle cold temperatures really well, but they can suffer or die in hot weather. Just because you may be uncomfortable in cold weather doesn't mean they are. They do need some help in winter though.

Wind chill can be worse for chickens than for you but for a different reason. Their down coats trap tiny pockets of air in the down, that air is actually what causes the insulation effect. If a wind ruffles their feathers and allows those air pockets to escape they can get cold. They need to be able to get out of the wind. During the day they can usually manage that quite well themselves, they stay away from a blowing cold wind. But if you turn your coop into a wind tunnel and don't give them a way to get out of the wind they can suffer.

The other danger, probably the biggest one, is frostbite. Frostbite for you or them is possible anytime the temperature is below freezing, yet I've seen chickens sleep in trees when the temperature never got above zero Fahrenheit for a few days straight with no issues. The key ingredient is moisture. If there is a lot of moisture in the air frostbite is much more likely than if the air is drier. You do not want moisture condensing out of the air onto their combs and wattles. Moisture comes from their breathing, their poop before it freezes, any thawed water for them to drink, or maybe some other source. Dead air is not your friend, it is your enemy. You need enough air movement to remove the stale moist air without creating a breeze.

One easy way to do this is to have openings higher than the chickens when they are on the roosts. That way any breezes are over their heads. That breeze over their heads will create enough gentle turbulence in the still air below to get some air exchange but it should not be close enough to actually hit them with a strong breeze. That requires some clear height above their heads.

But cross breezes are not always blowing. When a really cold spell hits it is often very calm. Not to worry, nature took care of us. Warm air rises and holds more moisture than cold air. The denser heavier cold air will force the lighter warm moist air up and out any openings up high. The warm moist air from their breathing, poop, or thawed water will rise. In summer it helps to have an opening down low coming from your shady side to allow cooler air to drive hot air out, but in winter that is not nearly as important. You will get enough movement with openings up high, plus you do not want to create a breeze between the opening down low and the high openings in winter. In summer that breeze would feel good.

The higher the inside of the coop the more movement you will get due to cold air forcing warm moist air to rise. Another reason to have a taller coop.
 
Good morning
I am fairly new to chicken raising and we have 16 hens currently and are raising another 25 chicks. I am ready to build a bigger coop and I was hoping to build a saltbox coop with these dimensions. 8x16x5.5 feet. Is this tall enough for the birds. We live in NYS and have very hard winters so I'm trying to minimize the dead air space.

Any thoughts appreciated.
Welcome to BYC! @edteneyck1
You've gotten good advice from a couple folks already.
I'll just reiterate...
..make it tall enough for you
... and configuration of run makes a huge difference in coop space limitations.

Here's couple more thoughts on the 'height of things':
https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/coop-stack-up-how-high-stuff-works-well.73427/

Oh, and...
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I'd go bigger, both overall sq ft (unless you're not keeping all those chicks... I'm assuming you are) and height. More height = more comfort for the keeper, more room for ventilation, and more air volume to help with air quality. That is an awful lot of coop to clean out while hunched over, can't imagine too many people would easily fit in a 5'5" tall coop.
 
Thank you all for the responses. I’ll be making it higher for sure and for the run the hens are basically free range. We have a 1 acre fenced in area that the roam. I will also be building this on an old trailer frame so I will be able to utilize the space under the coop/trailer as somewhere they can get out of the elements without having to go inside.
Ill post some pics as the coop is built.
 
Good morning
I am fairly new to chicken raising and we have 16 hens currently and are raising another 25 chicks. I am ready to build a bigger coop and I was hoping to build a saltbox coop with these dimensions. 8x16x5.5 feet. Is this tall enough for the birds. We live in NYS and have very hard winters so I'm trying to minimize the dead air space.

Any thoughts appreciated.
It’s tall enough for the birds, but is it tall enough for the humans that will be in there most likely daily cleaning and caring for them. It is hard on the back if you have to stoop and it is a real bummer to bang your head on 2 x 4’s!
 
Hello and welcome to BYC from yet another NYer.
I am going to buck the rest of the advice on square footage and say that the proposed area of your coop will work fine IF YOU HAVE A COMPLETELY SECURE ATTACHED RUN THAT YOU CAN WINTERIZE AND YOU NEVER CLOSE YOUR POP DOOR. That is my key to success.
My current coop is sized at 2.9 sq feet/bird. We just had a pretty darn cold winter.
I had exactly zero behavioral issues. That is because my run is as secure as the coop and the pop door always remains open. When the birds come off the roost, they head right out into the run and hang out there. So their effective square footage is 208 sq ft for 11 birds. I covered the sides of the run exposed to the prevailing winter winds with a tarp and they did great this winter. I open the door from their run into their pen but if there is snow on the ground, they never come out for long and do spend the majority of their time in the run.
Back to your coop height, trust me and everyone else on this and add another foot onto the height. You DO NOT want to have to stoop to enter and work in your coop. If you are going with a salt box shape, leave the gable peaks and your soffit areas open for ventilation and cover them with 1/2" hardware cloth. I am currently renovating my salt box style shed into my new coop and that is what I have done in addition to a ridge vent.
Good luck with you build.
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Wow, I am having coop envy. that is a work of art. Widowed, no man power, so built my coop from left over cattle feeding trough, leftover lumber, purchased plywood for next boxes and metal roof. I am short, but still went with 7 plus height for ventilation, works great. left 4 inches open at top on both sides, covered with hardware cloth. I agree you can have less square footage if they free range, but I still allow 3 to 4 feet per hen. Sometimes when the weather is really terrible, they stay in the house, so it is nice to know they all have room.
 
My husband is 5' 11" tall, I am 5'2" but still known to crack my head on things, taller is better. I want hubby to be able to go in there and take care of them, collecting eggs, cleaning etc, if I am not able to do it, kills the back having to bend over all the time. Do yourself and your chickens a favor, go for at least 6 ft, 7 would be better, mine is sitting at 6.5 on a slant to 5 ft.
 

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