PAINT SILKIE BREEDING

[LadiesAndJane]

So, I am getting some paint silkie hatching eggs, and have a question after reading all the threads I could find on the topic.
The breeder (as many others do, I have noticed) calls her blacks that result in her paint pen, "split" to paint. I know this is not accurate, so I wanted to verify that I could use ANY black silkie with the paints and any dominant whites that hatch out of these eggs for breeding? Thinking it best to use an unrelated bird, then I would just sell any solid blacks that hatch from these eggs, as they will not "carry" any paint.
Thanks!

 

[Amer]

That is very silly and misinformative of the breeder.
Yes, you can use any blacks or dominant whites.

 

[LadiesAndJane]

That is very silly and misinformative of the breeder.
Yes, you can use any blacks or dominant whites.

Thank you! It is what I thought, but wanted to be sure.

 

[Ada06]

So, I am getting some paint silkie hatching eggs, and have a question after reading all the threads I could find on the topic.
The breeder (as many others do, I have noticed) calls her blacks that result in her paint pen, "split" to paint. I know this is not accurate, so I wanted to verify that I could use ANY black silkie with the paints and any dominant whites that hatch out of these eggs for breeding? Thinking it best to use an unrelated bird, then I would just sell any solid blacks that hatch from these eggs, as they will not "carry" any paint.
Thanks!

The point of split to paint is that the black carries the paint gene. With any black silkie it could carry blue, chocolate, or any color and you wouldn't be able to tell until your chicks show that they carry it. I am pretty sure white hides lots of colors in it as well so just buying black from a paint breeder insures they carry the paint gene. I hope this makes sense!!

 

[The Moonshiner]

The point of split to paint is that the black carries the paint gene. With any black silkie it could carry blue, chocolate, or any color and you wouldn't be able to tell until your chicks show that they carry it. I am pretty sure white hides lots of colors in it as well so just buying black from a paint breeder insures they carry the paint gene. I hope this makes sense!!

No it doesn't make sense. It's not how it works. There is no paint gene and a bird doesn't carry a paint gene.
Paint is a pattern. It's the combination of one dominate white gene on a black bird.
Black also can not carry blue.

 

[Ada06]

No it doesn't make sense. It's not how it works. There is no paint gene and a bird doesn't carry a paint gene.
Paint is a pattern. It's the combination of one dominate white gene on a black bird.
Black also can not carry blue.

Sorry, did a little more research today.
Like you mentioned paint isn't a gene buut some of what I said is true. You can began with paint to full black. Then you want to use the black split from paint and breed it back to the parent. People generally use black split to paint because it results in more of the dominant white gene showing through.
People will then breed a full black back in every once in awhile to fix pigment holes and get bigger spots in their silkies.
Ignore most of what I said before lol. Thank you for correcting my misinformation.

 

[The Moonshiner]

There's no such thing as a black split to paint. A black is a black.
There's no difference in a black from paint breeding then a black from BBS breeding or a black from black breeding.
Blacks have nothing to do with the amount or size of the patches. Its more so from the dominate white side.

 

[Ada06]

There's no such thing as a black split to paint. A black is a black.
There's no difference in a black from paint breeding then a black from BBS breeding or a black from black breeding.
Blacks have nothing to do with the amount or size of the patches. Its more so from the dominate white side.

Idk I guess the articles I am reading are wrong. The article said black not split to paint have a green sheen to their feathers. Maybe most people are just incorrect. Here is one of the articles I have read.
https://vjppoultry.com/tag/paint-silkie-breeding-chart/

 

[The Moonshiner]

Idk I guess the articles I am reading are wrong. The article said black not split to paint have a green sheen to their feathers. Maybe most people are just incorrect. Here is one of the articles I have read.
https://vjppoultry.com/tag/paint-silkie-breeding-chart/

Yes many have no clue about paint genetics.
That article was written by someone that has very recently gotten into them and is clearly misinformed and spreading misinformation.
Even the breeding chart is incorrect.
The paint pattern and breeding for it isn't anything new. Hatcheries sell a bird called Austra Whites. They're a hybrid and the same pattern genetics. There was a breed a long long time ago based on the same pattern. Maybe if you're interested in learning you can research it.
There were a couple versions but the black and white ones were the same as silkie paints. They were called Erminettes.

 

[Ada06]

Yes many have no clue about paint genetics.
That article was written by someone that has very recently gotten into them and is clearly misinformed and spreading misinformation.
Even the breeding chart is incorrect.
The paint pattern and breeding for it isn't anything new. Hatcheries sell a bird called Austra Whites. They're a hybrid and the same pattern genetics. There was a breed a long long time ago based on the same pattern. Maybe if you're interested in learning you can research it.
There were a couple versions but the black and white ones were the same as silkie paints. They were called Erminettes.

Cool thank you!
I am glad I am learning this now rather than many years down the road.