Paint Silkies ~ European Lines

[Brody's Broodello]

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Please explain? I think Any info that could be passed on would be helpful, possibly to stop some of the pitfalls from happening in the breeding programs in the U S!

I not want to bring in discredit European paint breeders but you showed here in this post yet several little troubles (light toes, spread out legs, light eyes, bad wings, brassy glow ...) I not know how the US paints where made but in Europe they where bred very close to inbreed. It is correct the origine lays at a cross Leghorn (Dominant White) X Silkie (Dominant Black). The Dominant White takes over more and more the black spots (Paint should have a spotting pattern of large un-pigmented areas and normally pigmented patches (here black) the partitioning should be 2/3 white and 1/3 black, this alternating color pattern must be irregular and asymmetrical). The history is also a little related to the origine of the Exchequer Leghorns ! Maybe this can give a clue for their genetic make-up !

Thanks, the Euro paints in the USA are from am importation from Holland. The American Paint is a domestic program and was "popout" from an american dominant white silkie, so they are from two complete different orgins.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Please explain? I think Any info that could be passed on would be helpful, possibly to stop some of the pitfalls from happening in the breeding programs in the U S!

I not want to bring in discredit European paint breeders but you showed here in this post yet several little troubles (light toes, spread out legs, light eyes, bad wings, brassy glow ...) I not know how the US paints where made but in Europe they where bred very close to inbreed. It is correct the origine lays at a cross Leghorn (Dominant White) X Silkie (Dominant Black). The Dominant White takes over more and more the black spots (Paint should have a spotting pattern of large un-pigmented areas and normally pigmented patches (here black) the partitioning should be 2/3 white and 1/3 black, this alternating color pattern must be irregular and asymmetrical). The history is also a little related to the origine of the Exchequer Leghorns ! Maybe this can give a clue for their genetic make-up !

I've asked this at The Coop, and exchequer is in part a variation on mottling, so that kind of rules it out as a genotype of paint as mottling is recessive, and therefore you would not get any F1 paints by crossing a paint to a non-paint.

 

[SilverSilkie]

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I not want to bring in discredit European paint breeders but you showed here in this post yet several little troubles (light toes, spread out legs, light eyes, bad wings, brassy glow ...) I not know how the US paints where made but in Europe they where bred very close to inbreed. It is correct the origine lays at a cross Leghorn (Dominant White) X Silkie (Dominant Black). The Dominant White takes over more and more the black spots (Paint should have a spotting pattern of large un-pigmented areas and normally pigmented patches (here black) the partitioning should be 2/3 white and 1/3 black, this alternating color pattern must be irregular and asymmetrical). The history is also a little related to the origine of the Exchequer Leghorns ! Maybe this can give a clue for their genetic make-up !

I've asked this at The Coop, and exchequer is in part a variation on mottling, so that kind of rules it out as a genotype of paint as mottling is recessive, and therefore you would not get any F1 paints by crossing a paint to a non-paint.

Yes exactelly. The Exchequer origine from a cross between a White Livorno X Black white spotted Ancona (E/E with mo/mo). In this way the gene mo/mo entered in the Dominant White Livorno's but "white spots" are impossible to be seen on a complete white chicken ! Now the theory go's on .... White Livorno (with the unvisible mo/mo gene) crossed with the Black Silkie ....

 

[brenTx]

I have not gone back and read all the posts lately BUT I started with Euro paints and crossed them to blacks. The fast turn around amazed me with the F1s taking on larger crests, better toes while keeping the darker smaller combs of the euros. I also had some paints from America and bred them to blacks. At the point I got into this they were all quite inbred but I have lost the extra toes, toe nails, single RED combs very easily. Now to maintain this is another generation or two needing to be followed and docuement. At this point I see NO DIFFERENCE in the crosses. My flock is quite BLENDED NOW. The off color appeared in both lines no more or less with one line or the other. I have crossed in many different directions and am completely AMAZED at this paint EFFECT what ever it may be. I find it exciting to be seeing this unfold. I have been told that paints of Europe have not been worked on nearly as much as we have been working with them here. I think of my flock as Pilgrims...they came across the big POND and now have met up with the Native Americans and are one new family! Pioneers

We need to enjoy them for what they are....a new challenge in silkie varieties. Keep good records and be honest about what we breed.

 

[Brody's Broodello]

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Thanks Bob not sure where the Polish went to, but then again, with all the birds here, they were might had packed there croups with feed and went thumbing rides down at the Union! lol

They did mention something about a guy on a harley going by with a silkie on back!

 

[Three Cedars Silkies]

Beautiful boy, Bren!!

 

[chickens? not yet]

The only thing that can be said about this bird is "SO BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Just happy to get to see a picture of him!!

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[brenTx]

THANKS...he is holding his color pretty well so far. I am pleased with him.

 

[riane'smimi]

Have you bred paints back to the blacks that have came from the paint breedings ? If so what was the results? Or is this a no no
Karen

 

[brenTx]

No I haven't. It needs to be tried but I haven't liked ANY of the blacks I have hatched. MOST have pigment holes in their legs,toes or feet so that doesn't make for a very appealing BLACK silkie. Not that that should stop me from trying but I have hatched so many I have kept the BEST and the blacks haven't been in that yet. Whites off paints have been another issue. I have four right now I just love. They do appear to produce paints although showing up as pure white. One is a hen and the other three I have kept are still young. I bred the white hen to blacks...got paints...bred her to paints and got paints....bred her to another all white paint and got paints. That was just ONE hen so who knows for sure. If I have to follow this 100 rule...I won't live long enough.