Painted geese????

[pete55]

Hi

It appears these Spotted Geese will likely be males and have others said the females will be a solid colour. From my understanding the genes responsible for the pattern are the sex linked Dilution gene and the Pied gene.

The evidience seemsto point that the Pied or saddleback gene is not sex linked but simply a recessive gene. However these Spotted males are also seen in Sebastopols andusually referred to as Splash Patterns. Genetically the Spotteds are Dilute males split for Pied.

I think there needs to be more work done on this as it appears the recessive Pied gene does have some influence on the pattern. A White Gander mated to Brown or Grey Goose appears to produce Splash (or Spotted) male offspring and Dilute females yet with my understanding of the present genetics all offspring are genetically identical, ie; Dilute split for Pied. Hopefully someone else will add to the discussion.

Pete

 

[fowlrus]

If the spotted/splash pattern is a Dilute split for Pied, I am in deep trouble which means all of these spotted ones are gander. Thanks Pete.

Will definatly recheck with the breeder to see what the girls looks like in F2s. It might give us some idea what role the recessive pied gene play in this particular cross.
In pied guinea, the dilute split for pied seems to pass on to both gender. Again, I'm so far outside of the genetic door, it's why I'm the one to asking dumb questions. :0

 

[pete55]

Thats no problem and dont worry about the questions. To my knowledge the genetics of the geese has not yet been fully resolved with some certainty. For example the pied gene does appear not to be a sexlinked but appears to have some influence on the Dilution gene. There may be modifiers at work but it should become more clear as people post their mating results etc.

Pete

 

[livininbrazil]

Thats no problem and dont worry about the questions. To my knowledge the genetics of the geese has not yet been fully resolved with some certainty. For example the pied gene does appear not to be a sexlinked but appears to have some influence on the Dilution gene. There may be modifiers at work but it should become more clear as people post their mating results etc.

Pete

Well I found this an intriguing read. The spotty ones on this thread do appear to have some asiatic influence in them, I feel. Also, there are some breeds, like the normandy, where the females will be saddleback/pied and the males dilute 'white'.
I put a dilute gander to a 'spot' goose, only it´s 'hidden', you can´t see any grey on her at all, and her spot gene sister, (at least 3 generations of pied/saddleback birds in that line) and got a lot of pieds (not actually saddleback), but being mainly grey with white belly band and flights, both males and females. Nearly all of them have some sort of pied marking on them. The females are of the dilute grey colouring, with brown eyes. The males have slightly darker grey colouring with blue eyes.
I´m considering putting a couple of the males back to their spot gene aunties to see what results. So....painted geese....

 

[Geneticsnut]

all those painted looking birds will be males. By the looks of their beaks they are China or african crosses.
I use to raise Brown china maleX White embden Female for 5-6 yrs, males always came out blue painted and females brown like dad.

Beautiful cross, but the sons painted colour never transfered to any offspring......

Well I found this an intriguing read. The spotty ones on this thread do appear to have some asiatic influence in them, I feel. Also, there are some breeds, like the normandy, where the females will be saddleback/pied and the males dilute 'white'.
I put a dilute gander to a 'spot' goose, only it´s 'hidden', you can´t see any grey on her at all, and her spot gene sister, (at least 3 generations of pied/saddleback birds in that line) and got a lot of pieds (not actually saddleback), but being mainly grey with white belly band and flights, both males and females. Nearly all of them have some sort of pied marking on them. The females are of the dilute grey colouring, with brown eyes. The males have slightly darker grey colouring with blue eyes.
I´m considering putting a couple of the males back to their spot gene aunties to see what results. So....painted geese....

An update with pictures would be fantastic. I'm very interested in genetic experiments of this nature and am wanting to produce silver pied (patchy) geese. Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[bleu22]

I have crossed my purebred american buffs with purebred sebastopols. I have 1 male and 1 female sebastopol both are smooth breasted. Each chose a american buff mate. I have had american buffs for 6 years, so I was not sure what to expect from the crossings. I have about 10 of the spotted paints you all are chatting about. They have feathers with patches of blues and buff coloring and spots. More spotted shows up everyday. I have other color variations as well and some that appear to be all american buffs. All the ones that have curly type feathers seem to be female. And it is possible that the spotted ones may all be male... not sure yet?? I did get one that is mostly blue with some white and he is a male.

I was rather surprised at the results. Because of the spotting and blue colors. They were all hatched march & april 2019. There are some that have a very little color on some tail feathers and the rest of the body color is all white. They are looking like females.

 

[learycow]

I have crossed my purebred american buffs with purebred sebastopols. I have 1 male and 1 female sebastopol both are smooth breasted. Each chose a american buff mate. I have had american buffs for 6 years, so I was not sure what to expect from the crossings. I have about 10 of the spotted paints you all are chatting about. They have feathers with patches of blues and buff coloring and spots. More spotted shows up everyday. I have other color variations as well and some that appear to be all american buffs. All the ones that have curly type feathers seem to be female. And it is possible that the spotted ones may all be male... not sure yet?? I did get one that is mostly blue with some white and he is a male.

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I was rather surprised at the results. Because of the spotting and blue colors. They were all hatched march & april 2019. There are some that have a very little color on some tail feathers and the rest of the body color is all white. They are looking like females.

Yes male. With sebastopols, all splashes are males.

 

[bleu22]

Yes male. With sebastopols, all splashes are males.

GOOD to KNOW. Where can I learn more about cross breeding Sebastopols? The genetics? Do you know how to set the goose calculator for Sebastopols? I could only set it for white geese x buff. I am breeding just for me. Geese breeding does not seem to work the same as for chickens. I have bred chickens for 15 years. English Orpingtons being my most favorite. Next Black Copper Top Marans (Wade Jeane line). That was easier than geese genetics. Anything you can share with me would be wonderful. Thanks!

 

[learycow]

GOOD to KNOW. Where can I learn more about cross breeding Sebastopols? The genetics? Do you know how to set the goose calculator for Sebastopols? I could only set it for white geese x buff. I am breeding just for me. Geese breeding does not seem to work the same as for chickens. I have bred chickens for 15 years. English Orpingtons being my most favorite. Next Black Copper Top Marans (Wade Jeane line). That was easier than geese genetics. Anything you can share with me would be wonderful. Thanks!

Goose colors are much different thank chickens or ducks. And there isn't much documented info on it which makes it tough.
What breeding combo are you wondering about?

 

[bleu22]

Male Sebastopol x Female American Buff and Male American Buff x Female Sebastopol.
The sebastopols are both smooth breasted. How does the curly gene work as for passing to the the off-springs? What are the off-springs going to be as for color?? This is what I got for off-springs:
1)splash/spotted with both buff & blue colors,
2)some are almost totally white but have only 2 or 3 colored (blue and or buff) tail feathers,
3)Sebastopol totally american buff colored with curls on the back,
4)almost all blue with a little white,
5)Splash/spotted Sebastopol with curly feathers on the back,
6)sebastopol smooth breasted with some blue and buff colored at the ends of the curls.
7)And what appears to be american buff with the correct color.
They hatched out almost 40 goslings all on their own.