Partridge Questions

[Sonoran Silkies]

I'm not sure I understand your question. Salmon (as in salmon faverolle) is silver plus mahogany. I don't see a dirty red brown cast to them.

I am not quite sure how you are distinguishing blue penciled from blue partridge? They are the same? And blue partridge has gold (or red) ground, not silver.

 

[Coopacabana]

Blue partridge (blue gold penciled; blue gold partridge):

Blue penciled (blue silver partridge; blue silver penciled) :

So what i meant was a blue penciled bird (or blue silver partridge) with the mahogany gene would have red on it- the calculator calls it "blue patterned redshouldered/cream multiple laced partridge/brown". i read somewhere about somebody doing a blue silver laced project (as in just plain laced, not multiple laced/penciled) and having a hard time because this mahogany gene kept cropping up giving the birds the 'dirty, red brown cast' and they just wanted a white & blue bird.

so if you have silver partridge without lacing with the mahogany gene it's salmon, and that has a red brown cast or tint where on a silver partridge it would just be white, which wouldn't be described as dirty because it's beautiful and the breeder's goal, but the breeder trying to get blue silver laced and getting this brown cast it might describe it as 'dirty'. Then because these pictures are so awesome and really clear things up when I'm not clearly expressing my poor confused self:

Silver partridge (no lacing):

Salmon (silver partridge (no lacing) with mahogany):

My question: Is the difference between those partridge wyandottes of my past posts all in my head and if not what is the difference, genetically speaking? I am suggesting it could be the mahogany gene.

 

[Coopacabana]

by the way isn't salmon a weird name???

p.s. love your avatar- it's so fluffy! I'm a big silkie fan.

 

[nicalandia]

well the Hens are kinda salmon colored...

 

[Coopacabana]

yeah sort of... but they are more red-orange-brown than pink-red-brown. They're cute no matter what you call them and i guess the uniqueness of the faverolles is aptly reflected in the name 'salmon'. You gotta love those beards:

(not my bird)

 

[nicalandia]

but they are more red-orange-brown than pink-red-brown.

Not realy.. then hens look more like pink/peachy color than orange..

 

[Coopacabana]

well it's really a matter of personal opinion that looks more orange than pink to me. Everybody sees colors a bit differently.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Salmon is wheaten, not asiatic partridge based. Wonder if the breeder with "mahogany" problems is really dealing with mahogany or with autosomal red, and possibly golden versus silver?

Anyways, it sounds like your distinction is based upon presence or lack of penciling? And you are referring to a blue SILVER partridge, not a blue partridge? I't very late. I'll add some coherant thoughts after some sleep. Thanks for the comment on Issa--she was lovely

 

[DaveK]

The mahogany Faverolle that were pictured years ago came out of a discussion where I had suggested that the salmon color was a modified wheaton and based on that color. The mahoganys then were a basic red duckwing and posted to show that there could be something to the wheaton idea. It's not supposed to happen but I do know of rare instances where wheaton looking birds have thrown black reds. And it was suggested that that might be how those original mahogany birds came about. These now are attractive but also completely different.

 

[Coopacabana]

okay, so the salmon are wheaten based, but you get what i'm talking about now a bit better. My distinction between blue penciled and blue partridge (with lacing) is that blue partridge (with lacing) is gold/wildtype and blue penciled is silver. Like partridge and silver penciled. Now, the breeder's birds were not gold/wildtype but silver, plus the mahogany gene which changed the white areas from the silver gene to sometimes have red streaks and smudges or sometimes just a dirty, red brown cast that was obvious in good light. Or so they said. I don't know about the autosomal red, maybe that was their problem.

My question: Is the difference between those partridge wyandottes of my past posts all in my head and if not what is the difference, genetically speaking? I am suggesting it could be the mahogany gene.

here are the pics again:


Dark red ones:

light gold/brown ones:

Issa is a cute name, perfect for a silkie.