peacock as a indoor pet

[casportpony]

They still have wild instincts... If you clip the flight feathers on both wings that will not help. One the flight feathers on one wing need to be clipped so that they have no balance when flying. Keep in mind, even with clipped flight feathers, peafowl can easily jump quite high. My white peacock could jump onto a six foot tall fence with one clipped wing.

Mine could jump that high with the primaries *and *secondaries on *both* wings clipped.

-Kathy

 

[muus]

What a jumper!!! That's about 2 metres.
To do a documental, i can't clip the wings of a peacock, that takes away freedom. I know that if a home animal can't have al the freedom that they want but with the wings withour feathers, when i take them for a walk, they can't fly and enjoy the walk.
I have a place near my home, they go people with dogs and they are a lot of cats. The peafowls make an alarm that I can imitate and acostumbrate when they listen that, fly to the trees. My baby rooster, when i jump to a three, they follow me running and try to fly as fast as possible to be by my side. When i make the alarm voice it runs a lot to hide under the plants and weeds but if they aren't plants, they stay ducking in the soil.
I had parakeets and i never clip one wing, always i cut the two wings because i don't like them to desequilibrate.It's like the ducks or other ornamental fowl that they cut them a wing and they are never going to fly, i don't like that. I prefer an animal can fly and escape from enemys than an animal who can't do anything to survive alone.
Thanks

 

[muus]

Mine could jump that high with the primaries *and *secondaries on *both* wings clipped.

-Kathy

It's normal this, jumping they never open the wings if it's not a very high place.

 

[new 2 pfowl]

I'm still wondering how you plan to take your peafowl for a walk? (Sorry, I think this question was asked earlier).

You say if their wings are clipped "when I take them for a walk, they can't fly and enjoy the walk." However, you definitely cannot have them "walk" on a leash and also have them fly - you will endanger the peacocks if they fly while on a leash.

If you do not have them on a leash, they will fly up into the trees (or somewhere else!) when you let them outside. Be aware that you will not be able to get them down out of a tree until they feel like coming down. They are not that trainable. This is also important to know if you plan to imitate a peafowl alarm call so they will fly into the trees when there is danger. They will not come down if you call them!

 

[casportpony]

I'm still wondering how you plan to take your peafowl for a walk? (Sorry, I think this question was asked earlier).

You say if their wings are clipped "when I take them for a walk, they can't fly and enjoy the walk." However, you definitely cannot have them "walk" on a leash and also have them fly - you will endanger the peacocks if they fly while on a leash.

If you do not have them on a leash, they will fly up into the trees (or somewhere else!) when you let them outside. Be aware that you will not be able to get them down out of a tree until they feel like coming down. They are not that trainable. This is also important to know if you plan to imitate a peafowl alarm call so they will fly into the trees when there is danger. They will not come down if you call them!

Like this:


-Kathy

 

[Kedreeva]

That's a precious picture, Kathy! Photoshopped, I'm certain, but adorable.

I REALLY hope Muus is not thinking that this is how they would "leash" a peacock... that would absolutely break the peacock's neck if it even stayed on. I have tried a few different harnesses on one of my birds (a turkey who used to "walk" with me at my side (no leash, she just followed me around) when I border walked my property and sit in my lap any time I sat down) and the harnesses were fine as long as they were just on the bird (peacock or turkey, both ignored harnesses once applied.. I was trying to design a harness Joslin the turkey could wear during hunting season when she free-ranges or walks with me) but the second you try to add a leash, it becomes a struggle to the death to get out of it. Not even my very most imprinted birds would take leashes.

Muus, New 2 Pfowl is 100% correct in saying that peafowl will not go on walks with you like you are thinking. No matter how well you imprint or raise it (and of all the people here, I've probably raised the most imprinted, tame few indoor birds) when you take it outside, it will do whatever it wants and if you have not consistently clipped its wings since hatching, it will fly from you and will not come back down on command. Training peafowl is not like training dogs or even training cats or hookbilled caged birds (like your parakeets). They're not going to learn to reliably come when called like dogs. You put them at extreme risk of breaking their spines or backs struggling against a leash/harness.

You say "I prefer an animal can fly and escape from enemys than an animal who can't do anything to survive alone." but raising a peafowl indoors means you are fundamentally changing what the bird IS. By altering their habitat so greatly, you are altering their behavior (you cannot NOT) and agreeing that YOU will be doing everything in your power to protect them from "enemies" and "danger". If you plan to keep one inside (and I'm speaking as someone who has and is currently raising a peacock indoors) you HAVE to understand that you are altering the creature. Clipping the wings is not just an "option" and it's not something you do to make your life easier- it's something you HAVE do for the safety of the bird. Even if you have a completely empty room, your bird is still in a room, with 4 walls and a ceiling and possibly a window for them to crash into. And with their full wings, they may be able to crash into these things hard enough to break their own necks- I think you would feel much worse if this happened than if you just clipped its wings. NOT clipping the wings indoors is SUPER irresponsible.

With Gizmo, I've altered some of my methods, namely that I began clipping his wings from Day 1 (all primaries and all secondaries evenly). I attempted 3 indoor imprints before Gizmo without clipping wings (like you, I believed it would be better BUT IT IS NOT. All of those birds had to leave the house because they were flying into things- including just the walls, ceiling, windows and becoming a danger to themselves). So far, Gizmo does not try to fly. He has perches that are within jumping-only distance that he prefers because there are heat lamps at them, and this is how we've directed him on "safe" places to perch. We have given him the highest nighttime perch in the house, which we put him onto when we go to bed, and he jumps down from in the morning (again, doesn't fly, just jumps onto my bed to get down). We could not get the birds with full wings to do the same.

I'm telling you all of this so that you can learn from my mistakes. I really hope this all helps...

 

[BYC-user-174785]

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You say "I prefer an animal can fly and escape from enemys than an animal who can't do anything to survive alone." but raising a peafowl indoors means you are fundamentally changing what the bird IS. By altering their habitat so greatly, you are altering their behavior (you cannot NOT) and agreeing that YOU will be doing everything in your power to protect them from "enemies" and "danger". If you plan to keep one inside (and I'm speaking as someone who has and is currently raising a peacock indoors) you HAVE to understand that you are altering the creature. Clipping the wings is not just an "option" and it's not something you do to make your life easier- it's something you HAVE do for the safety of the bird. Even if you have a completely empty room, your bird is still in a room, with 4 walls and a ceiling and possibly a window for them to crash into. And with their full wings, they may be able to crash into these things hard enough to break their own necks- I think you would feel much worse if this happened than if you just clipped its wings. NOT clipping the wings indoors is SUPER irresponsible.

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That is a great post, but I clipped it to relate to this post. My peafowl all are very friendly, but raised outside. When spooked, they go flying right into the netting and it is terrifying after hearing stories of what can happen. For exmaple, one breeder lost one of his burmese green peacock due to him jumping up and hitting his neck to hard on the ceiling of the covered part of the pen. He said it was horrifying since he broke his neck and blood was coming out of his eyes.

Kedreeva also wonderfully said that you are completely changing the natural way this bird would live. Why do you think that peafowl are not sold in pet stores in little cages like other hookbills? Best way is free ranging. I am aware you want to imprint. Do what MinxFox did. I will also make another imprinting attempt next year hopefully, and I will have mine living outside once it is around Peep's age when he was moved outisde. That way he will be used to other peafowl, still be imprinted, and enjoy the life a peafowl should have.

 

[Kedreeva]

I will also make another imprinting attempt next year hopefully, and I will have mine living outside once it is around Peep's age when he was moved outisde. That way he will be used to other peafowl, still be imprinted, and enjoy the life a peafowl should have.

And really, this is best!

If you'll pardon me riding your coattails here:

Muus, Gizmo is my current imprint project. Gizmo "stands still" for applying his diaper. He wiggles when I clip his wings but he's learned it's a thing he won't get away from. He plays with cat toys, preens on the toilet seat outside the shower when I shower, chases/plays with the cats, begs for food worse than any dog I've ever met, follows me around the house, sits on my lap when he can get away with it (and on my shins or shoulders when he can't get away with my lap), and slept on my chest or hip every night for the first 3 months of his life. He knows how to shoulder surf like a pro when we visit the pet store, will let just about anyone pet him if he's on my shoulder/forearm/hands, and will lay still if I flip him onto his back because when he was tiny and had SUPER SHARP CLAWS that is how I would clip/file the tips. He "steps back" when I put one hand over him and one hand behind his legs, so that he can sit on my hand to be moved. He actively seeks out physical attention by "digging" at my hands if I'm not petting him when he wants to be pet- and I don't mean a nose stroke or a hand over his back... he wants his whole face rubbed down and for me to wiggle my fingers into his feathers and scritch around... he even sometimes lifts a wing for me to rub under it. He knows that when I'm in the kitchen cooking, he will get veggie bits (or unseasoned meat bits, he loves cooked beef crumbles), and he knows when I turn off the lights in the main room that it's "bedtime" and will walk into the bedroom, hop onto the bed, and stand by the corner of the bed where his roosting bookshelf is.

I'm saying all of this to make sure it's 100% understood that Gizmo is, if anything can ever be called it, and "indoor/imprinted" peacock.

And when spring comes, Gizmo will be going outside to live, because peafowl are not permanent-indoor pets.

 

[muus]

Cause the persistence you are showing to me to clip her wings, i think i'm going to do something good to me, to the peafowls and for your peace of mind.
I'm not going to clip her wings, I never will cut any feather of his wings, but i'm going to link the feathers of one wing when they are indoor or use a diaper harness with that they can't fly (they are not going to open the wings too). I think they are the 2 better solutions to this problem.
You advice me, and tell me that stories, and I don't want any of my peafowls die with an error that could prevent.
What do you think about this two solutions?
When I take him for a walk, the wings they will be free, and they can fly everywhere.
Kathy, i don't want this for my peafowls, my fowls are not going to be with a leash when I take them for a walk, they don't wear anything.
I know that peafowls are not dogs, and not going to be "tamed" like that, but they can learn a lot of things. I think the birds are undersimated. In my city, anyone knows about the pet fowls, when they see me, they think I'm crazy. I have walked on the streets with a baby roo(4 years ago), the last year with two chinese goose i'll take them to the river (they are one or two km to the river) the people when they see me, they laugh a lot. I want to experience a lot of things about this birds and demostrate than can be good pets if they take care good.
This video demonstrate that peafowls with a sound, can fly to me

, i know that they are going to eat, but my baby roo, when i make diferent sounds they come or they stand in her cite. I think peafowls they learn this when they are young, when they will be all grown, i think not going to listen to me a lot, but then I think the wings they will be not abled to fly(because one of my sugestions above)
Thanks

 

[muus]

And really, this is best!

If you'll pardon me riding your coattails here:

Muus, Gizmo is my current imprint project. Gizmo "stands still" for applying his diaper. He wiggles when I clip his wings but he's learned it's a thing he won't get away from. He plays with cat toys, preens on the toilet seat outside the shower when I shower, chases/plays with the cats, begs for food worse than any dog I've ever met, follows me around the house, sits on my lap when he can get away with it (and on my shins or shoulders when he can't get away with my lap), and slept on my chest or hip every night for the first 3 months of his life. He knows how to shoulder surf like a pro when we visit the pet store, will let just about anyone pet him if he's on my shoulder/forearm/hands, and will lay still if I flip him onto his back because when he was tiny and had SUPER SHARP CLAWS that is how I would clip/file the tips. He "steps back" when I put one hand over him and one hand behind his legs, so that he can sit on my hand to be moved. He actively seeks out physical attention by "digging" at my hands if I'm not petting him when he wants to be pet- and I don't mean a nose stroke or a hand over his back... he wants his whole face rubbed down and for me to wiggle my fingers into his feathers and scritch around... he even sometimes lifts a wing for me to rub under it. He knows that when I'm in the kitchen cooking, he will get veggie bits (or unseasoned meat bits, he loves cooked beef crumbles), and he knows when I turn off the lights in the main room that it's "bedtime" and will walk into the bedroom, hop onto the bed, and stand by the corner of the bed where his roosting bookshelf is.

I'm saying all of this to make sure it's 100% understood that Gizmo is, if anything can ever be called it, and "indoor/imprinted" peacock.

And when spring comes, Gizmo will be going outside to live, because peafowl are not permanent-indoor pets.

How old is Gizmo now? It's a good pet for what I've read
Thanks