Peacock not behaving normally

[KsKingBee]

Safeguard or Valbazen, not Ivermectin as it is showing ineffectiveness is some areas of the country.

There are some people on Zaz's FB group that promote de-worming on the full moon. I don't know if I want to subscribe to that, but it is out there for your consideration.

 

[Trefoil]

valbazen and safeguard are the same class of wormer/ I would rotate with a different class of wormer. But it sounds like either the safeguard isn't working or there is something else going on. Perhaps as well as parasites.

 

[KsKingBee]

valbazen and safeguard are the same class of wormer/ I would rotate with a different class of wormer. But it sounds like either the safeguard isn't working or there is something else going on. Perhaps as well as parasites.

The reason it wasn't working is because she wasn't doing the second round ten days later. I give cocks three ml of Safeguard, it may also be that the 1.2 wasn't enough. Resistance isn't brought on by using the same med every time as much as it is the result of under dosing.

 

[sasglm]

as far as food they get both are in the same cage and get all the same food.
every day Cracked corn, several slices of soft wheat bread
some days as I mix it up a little
Grapes, bananas, other veg pieces, tomatoes, corn, blue berries, watermelon, pumpkin... etc
Also most days they get a small scoop of 20% protein kitten food.

also they eat all the grass, weeds that they can get their necks to stretch to reach threw the chain link.

the healthy male is looking great and acting like a teenage boy....

 

[sasglm]

The reason it wasn't working is because she wasn't doing the second round ten days later. I give cocks three ml of Safeguard, it may also be that the 1.2 wasn't enough. Resistance isn't brought on by using the same med every time as much as it is the result of under dosing.

I started him on day1 of 2ml of Safeguard last night, he's getting use to me putting the syringe into his mouth, or maybe I'm getting better at opening it too. it got to 25 last night here and when I put him back in the cage, I put him up in the cubby out of the wind and enclosed, and he stayed there all night.

gary

 

[DylansMom]

as far as food they get both are in the same cage and get all the same food.
every day Cracked corn, several slices of soft wheat bread
some days as I mix it up a little
Grapes, bananas, other veg pieces, tomatoes, corn, blue berries, watermelon, pumpkin... etc
Also most days they get a small scoop of 20% protein kitten food.

also they eat all the grass, weeds that they can get their necks to stretch to reach threw the chain link.

the healthy male is looking great and acting like a teenage boy....

I would really consider getting some actual poultry feed as opposed to cracked corn. Cracked corn has relatively little nutritional value. Likely, the healthy male is also the dominant one, and he may be keeping the weakened one from getting the good stuff you are feeding. Dominant birds usually eat first and they pick out all the good stuff for themselves. If all the other male gets is cracked corn, it may keep him alive, but it won't keep him strong and healthy. Imagine one of us living on nothing but corn flakes. The kitten food is great to raise the protein level, but it should be supplementing a balanced poultry feed. I have a feeling this is the reason he is eating poo and his pen mate is not.

 

[Argus]

Gary, I agree with DylansMom. The food isn't the cause but certainly could be contributing to it recurring. You're doing a great job on all the healthy side dishes, just need the main course. I buy the pellets/crumbles by the pallet, but even at regular price a 50 pound bag of good food is only $18 at TSC around here. That would be the first thing I would do (along with the meds you've already started).

 

[KsKingBee]

A poor diet will weaken the immune system and lead to all kinds of illnesses. Even a small load of worms that a normal bird could fend off will bring a poor bird down. Add up the protein levels of all your ingredients and see if you come up with an average of 20%.

A scoop of corn at 6% and a scoop of cat food at 20% will equal 13%. I don't know the protein levels of all the veggies you are feeding, but lets say for the sake of discussion it is 10%, then add it up again. One scoop of cat food, 20%, one of corn, 6%, veggies 10% = 36% divide by three scoops = 12%. Add one scoop of game bird feed @ 28% and it bumps the level up to only 16%. Adding two scoops of 28% will bring it up to 18.5% barely high enough for adult maintenance feeding.

Do this exercise with what ever you are feeding to know what the general protein level is. Sometimes when we think we are giving them a good rounded diet we overlook the nutritional value.

(Sorry about referring to you as 'she' in an earlier post, I wasn't paying enough attention.)

 

[sasglm]

A poor diet will weaken the immune system and lead to all kinds of illnesses. Even a small load of worms that a normal bird could fend off will bring a poor bird down. Add up the protein levels of all your ingredients and see if you come up with an average of 20%.

A scoop of corn at 6% and a scoop of cat food at 20% will equal 13%. I don't know the protein levels of all the veggies you are feeding, but lets say for the sake of discussion it is 10%, then add it up again. One scoop of cat food, 20%, one of corn, 6%, veggies 10% = 36% divide by three scoops = 12%. Add one scoop of game bird feed @ 28% and it bumps the level up to only 16%. Adding two scoops of 28% will bring it up to 18.5% barely high enough for adult maintenance feeding.

Do this exercise with what ever you are feeding to know what the general protein level is. Sometimes when we think we are giving them a good rounded diet we overlook the nutritional value.

(Sorry about referring to you as 'she' in an earlier post, I wasn't paying enough attention.)

Bee NP,
ok, I can give them more protein as they really love the kitten food, and I'll see what I can find at the local feed store instead of cracked corn.
thanks
gary

 

[Birdrain92]

Bee NP,
ok, I can give them more protein as they really love the kitten food, and I'll see what I can find at the local feed store instead of cracked corn.
thanks
gary

In my opinion ditch the cracked corn. Most feed stores contain complete feeds. You should try to find a broiler, game bird, or some sort of feed with a 20% protein. Grains are higher in carbohydrates than most of the other nutrients. Carbohydrates are better for fattening up an animal. Try to spread out the protein feed that way the other can get some nutrients too. Depending on the vegetation the protein level could be anywhere. Beans and alfalfa are on the higher end of protein compared to potatoes.