Pecky and Pokey ??

[Lil Zoo]

These two chicks are from the eggs you got frm me Lil Zoo? You got 2 India Blue eggs and 2 Midnight B/S eggs,correct? Just glancing at the pics above and hoping my memory is right,,looks like Pecky is an India Blue Pied,,and the Midnight B/S at this point looks to be a male,,,but then again it's early and it's said sexing b/s peachicks isn't possible until they are months old.

FBC, yes they are out of the 4 eggs I got from you. Remember it was in that 100+ heat spell. You gave me 2 cause you were concerned they would not be fertile with the heat. Only 1 was not. The other 3 progressed great at the same rate. Then I had to open incubator a couple times as Pecky decided to come a day early and get in the fan. The other 2 became shrink wrapped. I saved Pokey cause you had given me advise on my hatch before, but it was to late for the other one. He was perfect just died cause he couldn't get out.
The India Blue Pied is the chick in question here. I think you crossed him with a WOOD PECKER. The little fellow pecks everything continuously . HA, HA.

Thank you, Thank you. I so hope the Midnight B/S is a male will update pics along the way. I think they are the most beautiful Peacock I have seen to date, although I love the white also. Pecky as a India Blue Pied if female crossed with my White Peacock will have mixed chicks of white 50% and 50% IB Pieds won't she? ? will they be considered split then, also??? I'm almost embarrassed to ask I know so little on this genetics, that's why I was planning on keeping straight color pens. I think I might be to old to learn all this genetics. I just think I am understanding an the experts throw out another scenario and my head spins.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Lil Zoo,,Genetics still is not one of my strong suits with peas.Breedng white to a IB pied,,blue is supposed to always be a dominate color.Every chick you would hatch would have 2 copies of the w/e gene,so tail train feathers on all males you would hatch out should produce white eyes in the tail.
Geneotype is what genetics the bird has,but not necessarily shows it,Phenotype is what the bird actually looks like,,if your chicks comes out all white,,(Phenotype) they still have 1/2 pied genetics that are not visible,,thus the use of the word "splits",,,
I have 6 IB 1year old birds that looks 100% IB but are "split to peach" (these was in the small pen next to my garage-remember?) Breeding "split to" birds to the color of birds they are "split to" does not always result in getting the "split to" color to come out,,for instance by me breeding my split to peach IB birds back to solid peach birds will not produce 100% peach chicks,,and for this reason I'm now going to sell them.If your okay with getting varied numbers of the "split to" genetics of chicks hatched they are fine to keep.I like more certainty in what my breeding pens will produce.

 

[Arbor]

Pecky as a India Blue Pied if female crossed with my White Peacock will have mixed chicks of white 50% and 50% IB Pieds won't she? ? will they be considered split then, also??? I'm almost embarrassed to ask I know so little on this genetics, that's why I was planning on keeping straight color pens. I think I might be to old to learn all this genetics. I just think I am understanding an the experts throw out another scenario and my head spins.

Correct, White male bred to blue pied hen would produce on average 50% white and 50% pied. None will carry white eyed unless the white male is carrying the gene.

Your white offspring from this cross will not be split to pied. In order to produce a pied bird, they need one copy of the pied gene and one copy of the white gene.

 

[Lil Zoo]

Lil Zoo,,Genetics still is not one of my strong suits with peas.Breedng white to a IB pied,,blue is supposed to always be a dominate color.Every chick you would hatch would have 2 copies of the w/e gene,so tail train feathers on all males you would hatch out should produce white eyes in the tail.
Geneotype is what genetics the bird has,but not necessarily shows it,Phenotype is what the bird actually looks like,,if your chicks comes out all white,,(Phenotype) they still have 1/2 pied genetics that are not visible,,thus the use of the word "splits",,,
I have 6 IB 1year old birds that looks 100% IB but are "split to peach" (these was in the small pen next to my garage-remember?) Breeding "split to" birds to the color of birds they are "split to" does not always result in getting the "split to" color to come out,,for instance by me breeding my split to peach IB birds back to solid peach birds will not produce 100% peach chicks,,and for this reason I'm now going to sell them.If your okay with getting varied numbers of the "split to" genetics of chicks hatched they are fine to keep.I like more certainty in what my breeding pens will produce.

That was kind of why we was planing to stick to a White pen, a BS pen (except we will use our Midnight BS) male that will produce all BS. Then the Cameo pen, which was determined when we got 8 Cameo hens at a decent price, but that's to many. I am thinking of reducing a few of them, they weren't our pick of colors but fell into them. I have Lily she is IB, but can easily be put with Mr. White as long as we hatch the eggs we can easily tell the difference in them, they will be split to white I know. We have an extra pen, but had hope for another pen of whites down the road. I have the other trailer for the babies, till they are a year old. This coming year will determine where we go from here to expand, hold or to reduce. Matti is the main caregiver of the peas, chickens and other pets, but she is in school and I don't want to overwhelm her. Her Mom helps a lot. They can't rely on my help with my health issues. Matti has found an exotic auction at Kalona, Iowa nine miles from us I think she said 8/25. She has also found some swaps but they are quite a ways away. Grandpa and I are the finance-rs and throw in request for what pleases our eyes or info we might find helpful. I am the incubator if possible. Grandpa is the builder. Matti is pretty computer savvy for 10.

 

[Lil Zoo]

Correct, White male bred to blue pied hen would produce on average 50% white and 50% pied. None will carry white eyed unless the white male is carrying the gene.

Your white offspring from this cross will not be split to pied. In order to produce a pied bird, they need one copy of the pied gene and one copy of the white gene.

If hatched we should easily be able to tell the peid chicks from the whites. My thoughts are getting better at incubating. Selling eggs unless locally we are questioning. If we choose to expand I want to keep white chicks. Pieds I don't understand at all at this point and was going to stay away from them, but Pecky is one of my first chicks, stupid heart, ya know. If Pecky is a female all is well if not I may have to have a pet pen. Thank you Arbor. We have to keep this rather simple till we get more educated. Everyone is so great to help.

 

[frenchblackcopper]

Lil Zoo,,Pieds are eye candy,,,compared to a solid colored bird! And no 2 pieds will be the same. I want to dedicate 1 large pen next spring with all pied birds and another pen utilizing BSSP males with solid colored hens of every color I can find. It's a toss-up here which is my favorite pen but Midnights and the BSSP pen is both neck and neck.

 

[Lil Zoo]

FBC,Pieds seem to be one of the most popular bird. Remember I am new to these different colors of the Peas. This time last year I thought the only color was IB. My very favorite to date is the Midnight BS. Then the White. Then the IB BS. I found that the Cameo hens are very eye catching and when Mr. Cam gets a full train he may be gorgeous, he's definitely very unusual to me, friends and family that have visited. I didn't like him at first cause I thought he was way to aggressive. He seems to have mellowed with a lot of hens in his pen. Getting Pecky may show me the pleasure of the Pieds. Right now we are going to hold where we are. It's my understanding the baby peas need to be kept off the ground for a year. We thought we would raise them and next years eggs, learn more about the market and then determine if we want to grow. Matti is pretty computer savvy for a 10 year old, but she is 10 and I don't want to overwhelm her as she is the main caregiver of the peas and business part is going to be hers. She has the desire for the Whites. I'm the finance er. DH is the builder. DH is rather getting into these peas also and may be a good retirement hobby for him in a couple of years. I have my wish and more to enjoy their beauty right now. I didn't know they lost their trains till I started buying them. Everyone on here and other pea owners have been awesome patient teachers. Craig Hopkins talked to Matti about starting into peas at her age, she really listened to him.

While I have this on my mind. I have accumulated a lot of heavy fabrics like old double knit polyesters and fleece over the years. This summer there was a thread about the heat and separating breeding pens. You had mentioned that your tin was depleted to block the view between pens. I have thought about zip tying material between the pens during breeding season then removing it and storing till the next season. It will be an experiment next year, let you know how it works.