No, Dr. Aliza showed me how to postion them for a good hold and nice wing position to pluck some feathers and have good access to the vein there . She was a superb teacher! I got it on the second try.***Ladyhawke- when you did your blood draw, how did you hold/position your chicken? just wonder if our "size" plays a part in how you would hold a nice sized bird. Or do you just have to make sure you have the chooks "comfortable" w/ being handled?..Thank you- Danielle