Permethrin spray

[Folly's place]

'Prevention' is an interesting concept, totally unproven as far as I can see. The absence of a parasite is not proof that it was actually prevented by the product, without real testing being done. 'Maybe somewhat helpful' is weak praise, when harmful products like DE are used everywhere. Just my opinion! Mary

 

[EggSighted4Life]

'Prevention' is an interesting concept, totally unproven as far as I can see. The absence of a parasite is not proof that it was actually prevented by the product, without real testing being done. 'Maybe somewhat helpful' is weak praise, when harmful products like DE are used everywhere. Just my opinion! Mary

I would like this post 1000 times over if it were allowed!!!

I wanted to apologize for being delayed in posting the photo of my bird that was promised. For some dumb reason I can't find the file its going to on my chrome book and despite emailing it to myself twice from my phone it still hasn't showed up.

And sorry, I can't remember who to quote...

But is alternating between permethrin and spinosad going to have the desired effects of not creating resistance and having another not too harmful product in the arsenal... since both are essentially the same just 1 being a synthetic form of Pyrethrum and more affordable and the other being the natural form and less affordable?

I also need to share with someone my recent realization regarding my flock and pasture management, and since it's based on chicken parasite this might be the right place... Anyways, I always remove my various animal poo into a dog/chicken food bag which I then put in the trash once a week. Way too much to compost. Well I realized that when I volunteered as a wildlife rehaber, that they not only remove the waste but tie up the bags at the end of the day. So even though, yes I'm reducing impact to my land and load of many thing to my animals, I may not be getting the overall desired effect of reducing flies or what have you. And the bottle I'm using to treat lice/mites IS labeled as fly spray. Also, when we process I leave the remains open in the trash bag I will be tying up and send to the dump (legally) at the end of the day.. so them pesky flies can lay their eggs and they can be hauled to fight their way out of the plastic bag as maggots somewhere else.

 

[Folly's place]

I'll stick with permethrin when it's needed, and leave the (vastly more expensive) spinosad for much later, if real resistance develops tp permethrin on my farm. I use it seldom, so hope that event is far far in the future! Mary

 

[EggSighted4Life]

I'll stick with permethrin when it's needed, and leave the (vastly more expensive) spinosad for much later, if real resistance develops tp permethrin on my farm. I use it seldom, so hope that event is far far in the future! Mary

Yes, that's where I stand as well...

But I thought it might be something to consider if they aren't considered the same for the person WHO stated they are alternating between the two MONTHLY.

 

[BantyChooks]

Has anyone here calculated the dilution for the 36.8%, or am I going to have to sizzle my brain with math?

 

[GardenTillers44]

To clarify my post #235, I bought Gordon's Permethrin 10 to help turn back an infestation quickly. We inherited a bottle of Elector PSP spinosad from a friend (yes it is expensive, but if I was convinced it was the best/safest option for the chickens, I would buy it). After reading many threads and posts on this site, talking to friends and neighbors with poultry experience and conferring with our vet, we decided to use the spinosad about 30 days after the initial treatment with the permethrin. Our intent was a one/two punch in case there were some resistant mites or lice. Now that we have finished a treatment of each and have no visible bugs or nits during our inspections, our plan is to treat the chickens as needed based on our weekly chicken checks, not religiously every month whether they need it or not (as my post inferred). As for the coop and run, we have several options in our barn including a spray hot steam cleaner that I really like, neem oil (which we have yet to use), the permethrin and spinosad. Since we were actually dealing with an infestation, we went with the same permethrin/spinosad treatment 30 days apart in the coop and run. Our ongoing maintenance will center on using the steam cleaner and alternative safe options as I figure them out from this site and experience, and know that we have an effective treatment in the permethrin and spinosad if and when we need it.

I gotta say, I love seeing all the BYC chatter on concepts like prevention, control, management and all the treatment and maintenance options. It's what makes this site so informative, interesting and addictive. It seems in the absence of a lot of scientific method and qualified vets, much of our chicken knowledge comes from experience, trial and error, advertising, articles in chicken mags and books, friends and neighbors, websites, blogs, hearsay and wives tales. I can understand why there are so many different opinions and hot topics. For us, keeping chickens has been a fluid situation the past two years as we gain experience and knowledge and hone our own method along the way. Thanks to all of you for contributing to our chicken obsession!

 

[casportpony]

Has anyone here calculated the dilution for the 36.8%, or am I going to have to sizzle my brain with math?

I think it will be about 5 ml per gallon. It's not labeled for use in poultry, so one should find out what the other 63.2% is and make sure it's safe for poultry. Don't think I'd use it:
http://newsomseed.com/resources/PermethrinFRMSDS.pdf

 

[BantyChooks]

I think it will be about 5 ml per gallon. It's not labeled for use in poultry, so one should find out what the other 63.2% is and make sure it's safe for poultry. Don't think I'd use it:
http://newsomseed.com/resources/PermethrinFRMSDS.pdf

You think it's different? Bummer. I was hoping to save myself $20.

 

[aart]

Has anyone here calculated the dilution for the 36.8%, or am I going to have to sizzle my brain with math?

I think it will be about 5 ml per gallon. It's not labeled for use in poultry, so one should find out what the other 63.2% is and make sure it's safe for poultry. Don't think I'd use it:
http://newsomseed.com/resources/PermethrinFRMSDS.pdf

You think it's different? Bummer. I was hoping to save myself $20.

Is the product Kathy linked the product you are thinking about Banty?

The Gordon's permethrin 10 is pretty cheap like $8.
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/gordons-permethrin-10-livestock-premise-spray-8-fl-oz

 

[Kiki]

This is an update to post #212. Several of our hens were showing signs of what we decided might be Northern Fowl Mites (see image) that we found only on the vent
area of 6 of our 22 chickens. Searched the coop day and night, but found no mites in the woodwork or on the perches. We mixed Gordon's Permethrin 10 in a gallon sprayer and dosed all the birds with a spritz around the vent, under the wings, on the breast area and back of neck. Then we thoroughly sprayed the coop, run and anywhere the birds tended to lay. We also refreshed the sand dust baths with more wood ash and DE. We removed as many of the feces and egg masses as possible with a comb the day after treatment. We clean the coop twice a week now and pick up feathers and poops daily. We check chickens once a week and now 6 weeks after treatment we have clean girls and coop. As a continuing treatment, we are alternating Gordon's permethrin 10 and Elector PSP (spinosad) once a month. So far, so good. Thanks for all the great advice in this thread...View attachment 1109285

I'm seeing lice debris/evidence here. That white "stuff"