Pheonix Thread

[JacinLarkwell]

Check Facebook but if I was to consider adding barring I would see about just ordering some hatchery barred bantams of another breed... or eggs from eBay of a barred bantam breed. Or try and get some bantam line genetic hackle eggs... I am pretty sure it was via cross breeding they all introduced the barring

Is it really that simple? I thought I would just keep getting the same chicks as their parents

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Well you have to set up a breeding program because you are going to have to introduce the barring gene (cross breed) and breed to retain the gene while working towards gradually getting a better and better Pheonix traits... tail carriage, leg color, comb type, ear color, and working in the feathering. So that is the hard part... but with patience you can do it.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Have you contacted this person...https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/barred-bantam-phoenix-eggs.1254770/#post-20133885

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Oh, okay. Not being flippant about it, but that doesn't seem too hard

 

[Michael99]

Oh, okay. Not being flippant about it, but that doesn't seem too hard

It's not necessarily hard, but you'd have to have a solid plan, and it will take you probably at least 8-10+ generations (which is at least 8 years) to breed back to type, and if you were to do it you'd have to have several lines going to avoid too much inbreeding. I wouldn't recommend trying to make them from scratch as it'll take you a long time to get good birds again. I'd recommend buying eggs or birds from someone who already has them, it will save you a lot of time and money.

Keep in mind that whatever breed you use to introduce the barring gene, you'll have to breed out all of their traits that don't conform to the standard for Phoenix, while also breeding back to Phoenix traits. It might not be hard, but it would take a lot of time and dedication on your part.

And you are right that an outcross was done to achieve the barring in Phoenix, it was with genetic hackle birds (which are arguably harder to find than actual Barred Phoenix).

 

[JacinLarkwell]

It's not necessarily hard, but you'd have to have a solid plan, and it will take you probably at least 8-10+ generations (which is at least 8 years) to breed back to type, and if you were to do it you'd have to have several lines going to avoid too much inbreeding. I wouldn't recommend trying to make them from scratch as it'll take you a long time to get good birds again. I'd recommend buying eggs or birds from someone who already has them, it will save you a lot of time and money.

Keep in mind that whatever breed you use to introduce the barring gene, you'll have to breed out all of their traits that don't conform to the standard for Phoenix, while also breeding back to Phoenix traits. It might not be hard, but it would take a lot of time and dedication on your part.

And you are right that an outcross was done to achieve the barring in Phoenix, it was with genetic hackle birds (which are arguably harder to find than actual Barred Phoenix).

Yeah, no I would MUCH, MUCH rather just buy eggs from someone who has it already working out

 

[Michael99]

Yeah, no I would MUCH, MUCH rather just buy eggs from someone who has it already working out

I'd recommend checking ebay, I just saw some barred bantam Phoenix eggs on there last week!

 

[Michael99]

If you'd like, I can also give you the names of the people who got barred bantam Phoenix after the auction with Boggy Bottom Bantams.

I wrote down the people that bought the lines I may be interested in down the road in case I ever wanted to add a new color to mine!

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Kay I'll check eBay out. Thanks

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Long Tail Egg report... we gave up on it today, we are several days past the 21st... unlike last this egg did not develop. I know from the first egg with the dead chick inside the eggs are probably fertile from the seller but incubator #1 was a total fail of eggs, all breeds, different sellers that time, unlike #2 and #3... so I am guessing not an incubator issue but mail damage this time. All the other eggs in the other incubator... I candled one it was one of the Pheonix Eggs seems to be developing okay... here is to healthy chicks down the road... knock on wood