Pheonix Thread

[Michael99]

That’s awesome!!! Not bad for cross country lol. Can’t wait to see pics!
I did a Phoenix Svarthona cross a few years ago, it was a match made in heaven! I’m sorry I didn’t pursue it further.

Did you ever get any pictures of the cross!?

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Baby pictures.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Is the black one a Pheonix too?

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

The Svart Hona are proving extremely hard to hatch... so far 1 live chick out of lots of eggs. I am not sure what the issue is but I did candle all the eggs that have not hatched... all the infertile were the SH, but most started but failed to develop and I do believe it was damage from shipping. I did rest the eggs and sprayed them with H2O2, I used the Incubator that I hoped turner design would work best for shipped eggs. In addition to the machine’s temp/hum monitor we had two other temp/hum in it and a third temp monitor. Anyway we will try again on the Svart Hona. The Ayam Cemani we hatched are doing well, one is bantam sized. We really are interested in seeing how same or different these two breeds are. Also cross breeding with Phoenix is something we will probably do.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Is the black one a Pheonix too?

No that is an Svart Hona

 

[JacinLarkwell]

The Svart Hona are proving extremely hard to hatch... so far 1 live chick out of lots of eggs. I am not sure what the issue is but I did candle all the eggs that have not hatched... all the infertile were the SH, but most started but failed to develop and I do believe it was damage from shipping. I did rest the eggs and sprayed them with H2O2, I used the Incubator that I hoped turner design would work best for shipped eggs. In addition to the machine’s temp/hum monitor we had two other temp/hum in it and a third temp monitor. Anyway we will try again on the Svart Hona. The Ayam Cemani we hatched are doing well, one is bantam sized. We really are interested in seeing how same or different these two breeds are. Also cross breeding with Phoenix is something we will probably do.

Maybe I'll throw a hen in with my Ayam cemani male when he's old enough. A black skinned Pheonix would be stunning imo. I have an Ayam that hatched small too, but nothing seems to be wrong. And it ironically seems to be male whole the big one is female, I think

 

[Michael99]

Maybe I'll throw a hen in with my Ayam cemani male when he's old enough. A black skinned Pheonix would be stunning imo. I have an Ayam that hatched small too, but nothing seems to be wrong. And it ironically seems to be male whole the big one is female, I think

I have a few fibro Phoenix, in my opinion they are stunning (I posted pictures of some further back on the forum if you want to have a look!). This year, I want to breed some that are all black (feather and skin color), as well as fibro BBR.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Yes I think black skinned phoenixes would be stunning....

 

[JacinLarkwell]

How hard is it to get black skin for them? Or is it something possible in a generation or two?

 

[Michael99]

How hard is it to get black skin for them? Or is it something possible in a generation or two?

Since fibro is dominant, you would get dark skinned chickens right off the bat (it can be homozygous, heterozygous, or absent altogether which results in a pink/white skinned chicken). All of the F1's would be hetero for fibro, and would be on a black base but carrying duckwing genes (E/e) with varying amounts of leakage, with cockerels typically having more. However, if you wanted to get fibro Phoenix (that would fully express Phoenix type, feathering, etc) it would probably take at least 8+ generations, give or take a few generations depending on your ultimate goals for feathering, color, and type and the breeding methods used.

If you were to do it (which it would be great to get more unrelated fibro Phoenix lines going here in the US!), I'd recommend starting with a really good feathered Phoenix hen over a pure Ayam Cemani rooster. Essentially, you'd want to keep/breed for purely Phoenix traits, while breeding for fibromelanism (which the Cemani would contribute). Then breed only the best F1's back to Phoenix, selecting for Phoenix traits while making sure that all hybrid birds used still have the fibro trait. Once you got birds that can pass for good quality Phoenix (with the obvious exception of them being fibro), you could breed them to other Phoenix lines to bring in more genetic diversity and not lose the fibro trait since it's dominant and easy to know which ones have it. If you want the darkest colored birds though, you'd have to breed fibros w/ other fibros in order to get birds that express the trait homozygously.

The only thing is you would have to decide what direction to take the birds (you could either breed for fibro duckwings or solid black fibros, with duckwing fibros being