Pink or blue?

[Chickenheadmate]

I'm about to purchase a Isbar (green eggs) and a BCM(brown), I'm looking for a cockerel that will give me different color eggs in the future.
I've come across two EE, one hatched from an pink egg and the other from blue?
Which would yield more variety?
What are they possible outcomes?
Can't find any possiblities with the pink, on the web

 

[BlackHackle]

Just tagging a few I'm guessing might know:
@AMERAUCANAS4REAL ,@Rose Quartz , @Cyprus

 

[Cyprus]

I'm about to purchase a Isbar (green eggs) and a BCM(brown), I'm looking for a cockerel that will give me different color eggs in the future.
I've come across two EE, one hatched from an pink egg and the other from blue?
Which would yield more variety?
What are they possible outcomes?
Can't find any possiblities with the pink, on the web

Pink is a variation of brown.
The only info gleaned from the color of the egg they hatched from is the color that the mother laid.
Without knowing the breed of the father much of their egg color genetics is guesswork.
In fact, EE are a total crapshoot in just about everything.

That being said let me delve into the complicated monstrosity that is egg color genetics. Grab your popcorn.

A Hen and a Rooster each carry two genes for egg shell color. These genes are autosomal, meaning they are not linked to the sex chromosomes or are not sex-linked.
With egg shell colors there are two true egg shell colors: white and blue.
White is the wildtype (o) and is recessive. Two copies are needed to produce a white egg.
Blue is dominant and therefore will always affect egg shell color via tinting when present. Hens with this gene will lay eggs that are a variant of blue or green/olive.

Now, let's look at the mothers of these two cockerels.
Pink egg: what I can glean from this is that the mother does not carry the blue egg gene. Assuming that the mother is ALSO an Easter Egger my fair assumption is that she carries one brown copy and one white copy (as she likely would lay a more solid brown colored egg with two brown copies). Regardless, she does not carry the blue gene.

Blue egg: This mother DOES carry the blue gene. With the egg actually presenting a visible blue it is fair to assume that the mother either carries two copies of the blue gene or one copy of white and one copy of blue.

Now, past the mothers is where things get complicated. I will exercise several different scenarios.

Let us assume that the mother who laid the pink egg mated with a father who has the blue egg gene.

If the father has one blue gene (heterozygous blue) split to white (o) then the possibilities are as follows.

Female, 1 brown copy, 1 white copy x Male, 1 blue copy, 1 white copy:
Offspring could inherit:
1) 1 brown, 1 blue
2) 1 blue, 1 white
3) 1 brown, 1 white
4) 2 white

Female 1 brown, 1 white x Male, 2 blue
Offspring would inherit:
1) 1 brown, 1 blue
2) 1 blue, 1 white

If the mother who laid the blue egg mated with a father who carried one or two blue genes the results would be as follows.

Female, 1 blue, 1 white x Male, 1 blue, one white
Offspring:
25% homozygous blue
50% heterozygous blue
25% homozygous recessive white

Female, 2 blue x Male, 1 blue, 1 white
Offspring:
50% homozygous blue
50% heterozygous blue

Female, 2 blue x Male, anything else
All offspring will carry one blue gene.

Female, 1 blue x anything else
50% of offspring will carry one blue gene.

Okay, so there is the long winded answer.

In summary, your best bet is to go with the male hatched from the blue egg.
He has a better chance of carrying the blue gene than the other one.

If he DOES carry a blue gene depending on what else he carries the resulting offspring from him will lay variangly.

If you want the best chance at colored eggs cross him with the Isbar.
If he has only one blue copy, 50% of the females from that cross will lay blue, 25% will lay brown, and 25% will lay green.
If he carries two copies, 50% of the female offspring will lay blue and 50% will lay green.

Cross him with the Wellie and, if he has one copy, 50% of the female offspring will lay green and 50% will lay brown.
If he has two copies all of his daughters will lay green.

Hope that helps you decide

-Cyprus

 

[Chickenheadmate]

Lol. I'll just pretend I understood everything.
Answer that I needed, thanks.

Pink is a variation of brown.
The only info gleaned from the color of the egg they hatched from is the color that the mother laid.
Without knowing the breed of the father much of their egg color genetics is guesswork.
In fact, EE are a total crapshoot in just about everything.

That being said let me delve into the complicated monstrosity that is egg color genetics. Grab your popcorn.

A Hen and a Rooster each carry two genes for egg shell color. These genes are autosomal, meaning they are not linked to the sex chromosomes or are not sex-linked.
With egg shell colors there are two true egg shell colors: white and blue.
White is the wildtype (o) and is recessive. Two copies are needed to produce a white egg.
Blue is dominant and therefore will always affect egg shell color via tinting when present. Hens with this gene will lay eggs that are a variant of blue or green/olive.

Now, let's look at the mothers of these two cockerels.
Pink egg: what I can glean from this is that the mother does not carry the blue egg gene. Assuming that the mother is ALSO an Easter Egger my fair assumption is that she carries one brown copy and one white copy (as she likely would lay a more solid brown colored egg with two brown copies). Regardless, she does not carry the blue gene.

Blue egg: This mother DOES carry the blue gene. With the egg actually presenting a visible blue it is fair to assume that the mother either carries two copies of the blue gene or one copy of white and one copy of blue.

Now, past the mothers is where things get complicated. I will exercise several different scenarios.

Let us assume that the mother who laid the pink egg mated with a father who has the blue egg gene.

If the father has one blue gene (heterozygous blue) split to white (o) then the possibilities are as follows.

Female, 1 brown copy, 1 white copy x Male, 1 blue copy, 1 white copy:
Offspring could inherit:
1) 1 brown, 1 blue
2) 1 blue, 1 white
3) 1 brown, 1 white
4) 2 white

Female 1 brown, 1 white x Male, 2 blue
Offspring would inherit:
1) 1 brown, 1 blue
2) 1 blue, 1 white

If the mother who laid the blue egg mated with a father who carried one or two blue genes the results would be as follows.

Female, 1 blue, 1 white x Male, 1 blue, one white
Offspring:
25% homozygous blue
50% heterozygous blue
25% homozygous recessive white

Female, 2 blue x Male, 1 blue, 1 white
Offspring:
50% homozygous blue
50% heterozygous blue

Female, 2 blue x Male, anything else
All offspring will carry one blue gene.

Female, 1 blue x anything else
50% of offspring will carry one blue gene.

Okay, so there is the long winded answer.

In summary, your best bet is to go with the male hatched from the blue egg.
He has a better chance of carrying the blue gene than the other one.

If he DOES carry a blue gene depending on what else he carries the resulting offspring from him will lay variangly.

If you want the best chance at colored eggs cross him with the Isbar.
If he has only one blue copy, 50% of the females from that cross will lay blue, 25% will lay brown, and 25% will lay green.
If he carries two copies, 50% of the female offspring will lay blue and 50% will lay green.

Cross him with the Wellie and, if he has one copy, 50% of the female offspring will lay green and 50% will lay brown.
If he has two copies all of his daughters will lay green.

Hope that helps you decide

-Cyprus

 

[Chickenheadmate]

If that blue egg cockerel mates the Isbar, what color eggs would they most likely produce?

Lol. I'll just pretend I understood everything.
Answer that I needed, thanks.

Pink is a variation of brown.
The only info gleaned from the color of the egg they hatched from is the color that the mother laid.
Without knowing the breed of the father much of their egg color genetics is guesswork.
In fact, EE are a total crapshoot in just about everything.

That being said let me delve into the complicated monstrosity that is egg color genetics. Grab your popcorn.

A Hen and a Rooster each carry two genes for egg shell color. These genes are autosomal, meaning they are not linked to the sex chromosomes or are not sex-linked.
With egg shell colors there are two true egg shell colors: white and blue.
White is the wildtype (o) and is recessive. Two copies are needed to produce a white egg.
Blue is dominant and therefore will always affect egg shell color via tinting when present. Hens with this gene will lay eggs that are a variant of blue or green/olive.

Now, let's look at the mothers of these two cockerels.
Pink egg: what I can glean from this is that the mother does not carry the blue egg gene. Assuming that the mother is ALSO an Easter Egger my fair assumption is that she carries one brown copy and one white copy (as she likely would lay a more solid brown colored egg with two brown copies). Regardless, she does not carry the blue gene.

Blue egg: This mother DOES carry the blue gene. With the egg actually presenting a visible blue it is fair to assume that the mother either carries two copies of the blue gene or one copy of white and one copy of blue.

Now, past the mothers is where things get complicated. I will exercise several different scenarios.

Let us assume that the mother who laid the pink egg mated with a father who has the blue egg gene.

If the father has one blue gene (heterozygous blue) split to white (o) then the possibilities are as follows.

Female, 1 brown copy, 1 white copy x Male, 1 blue copy, 1 white copy:
Offspring could inherit:
1) 1 brown, 1 blue
2) 1 blue, 1 white
3) 1 brown, 1 white
4) 2 white

Female 1 brown, 1 white x Male, 2 blue
Offspring would inherit:
1) 1 brown, 1 blue
2) 1 blue, 1 white

If the mother who laid the blue egg mated with a father who carried one or two blue genes the results would be as follows.

Female, 1 blue, 1 white x Male, 1 blue, one white
Offspring:
25% homozygous blue
50% heterozygous blue
25% homozygous recessive white

Female, 2 blue x Male, 1 blue, 1 white
Offspring:
50% homozygous blue
50% heterozygous blue

Female, 2 blue x Male, anything else
All offspring will carry one blue gene.

Female, 1 blue x anything else
50% of offspring will carry one blue gene.

Okay, so there is the long winded answer.

In summary, your best bet is to go with the male hatched from the blue egg.
He has a better chance of carrying the blue gene than the other one.

If he DOES carry a blue gene depending on what else he carries the resulting offspring from him will lay variangly.

If you want the best chance at colored eggs cross him with the Isbar.
If he has only one blue copy, 50% of the females from that cross will lay blue, 25% will lay brown, and 25% will lay green.
If he carries two copies, 50% of the female offspring will lay blue and 50% will lay green.

Cross him with the Wellie and, if he has one copy, 50% of the female offspring will lay green and 50% will lay brown.
If he has two copies all of his daughters will lay green.

Hope that helps you decide

-Cyprus

 

[Cyprus]

If that blue egg cockerel mates the Isbar, what color eggs would they most likely produce?

Read the second to last paragraph again.
I'm assuming you are asking what color egg the resulting daughters will lay?

The resulting daughters will most likely lay blue eggs but have an almost equally great chance of laying green eggs.
There is a small chance that they will lay brown or white eggs.

 

[Chickenheadmate]

Read the second to last paragraph again.
I'm assuming you are asking what color egg the resulting daughters will lay?

The resulting daughters will most likely lay blue eggs but have an almost equally great chance of laying green eggs.There is a small chance that they will lay brown or white eggs.[/QUOT


One last question
In order to get those colors, would f1 EE green egg layer have to be part of it or can I skip the brown-blue cross and just use the Isbar insteads or crossimg for the EE green eggs.

Not sure if i make sense

 

[Cyprus]

Yeah, that is accurate.
You see now why I say there is a large chance they will lay green.

 

[Kylo_Hen!]

I LOVE EE'S!

 

[Kgee]

Pink is a variation of brown.
The only info gleaned from the color of the egg they hatched from is the color that the mother laid.
Without knowing the breed of the father much of their egg color genetics is guesswork.
In fact, EE are a total crapshoot in just about everything.

That being said let me delve into the complicated monstrosity that is egg color genetics. Grab your popcorn.

A Hen and a Rooster each carry two genes for egg shell color. These genes are autosomal, meaning they are not linked to the sex chromosomes or are not sex-linked.
With egg shell colors there are two true egg shell colors: white and blue.
White is the wildtype (o) and is recessive. Two copies are needed to produce a white egg.
Blue is dominant and therefore will always affect egg shell color via tinting when present. Hens with this gene will lay eggs that are a variant of blue or green/olive.

Now, let's look at the mothers of these two cockerels.
Pink egg: what I can glean from this is that the mother does not carry the blue egg gene. Assuming that the mother is ALSO an Easter Egger my fair assumption is that she carries one brown copy and one white copy (as she likely would lay a more solid brown colored egg with two brown copies). Regardless, she does not carry the blue gene.

Blue egg: This mother DOES carry the blue gene. With the egg actually presenting a visible blue it is fair to assume that the mother either carries two copies of the blue gene or one copy of white and one copy of blue.

Now, past the mothers is where things get complicated. I will exercise several different scenarios.

Let us assume that the mother who laid the pink egg mated with a father who has the blue egg gene.

If the father has one blue gene (heterozygous blue) split to white (o) then the possibilities are as follows.

Female, 1 brown copy, 1 white copy x Male, 1 blue copy, 1 white copy:
Offspring could inherit:
1) 1 brown, 1 blue
2) 1 blue, 1 white
3) 1 brown, 1 white
4) 2 white

Female 1 brown, 1 white x Male, 2 blue
Offspring would inherit:
1) 1 brown, 1 blue
2) 1 blue, 1 white

If the mother who laid the blue egg mated with a father who carried one or two blue genes the results would be as follows.

Female, 1 blue, 1 white x Male, 1 blue, one white
Offspring:
25% homozygous blue
50% heterozygous blue
25% homozygous recessive white

Female, 2 blue x Male, 1 blue, 1 white
Offspring:
50% homozygous blue
50% heterozygous blue

Female, 2 blue x Male, anything else
All offspring will carry one blue gene.

Female, 1 blue x anything else
50% of offspring will carry one blue gene.

Okay, so there is the long winded answer.

In summary, your best bet is to go with the male hatched from the blue egg.
He has a better chance of carrying the blue gene than the other one.

If he DOES carry a blue gene depending on what else he carries the resulting offspring from him will lay variangly.

If you want the best chance at colored eggs cross him with the Isbar.
If he has only one blue copy, 50% of the females from that cross will lay blue, 25% will lay brown, and 25% will lay green.
If he carries two copies, 50% of the female offspring will lay blue and 50% will lay green.

Cross him with the Wellie and, if he has one copy, 50% of the female offspring will lay green and 50% will lay brown.
If he has two copies all of his daughters will lay green.

Hope that helps you decide

-Cyprus

Coming out of lurkdom to applaud your thoughtful, educational response & say thanks. Thanks!