Please help! Do I need to put coconut oil on pip?

[MGG]

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Aw!

 

[MGG]

I planned to move them over to the hatcher on Day 18, but to be completely honest, I've had so much disappointment with my shipped eggs that I just forgot. I've definitely learned a lesson. I'm going to try to get a picture of the egg that hasn't hatched yet. The chick moved it a few times while it was stumbling around

So the eggs were still turned on day 18? Are all of your shipped eggs from the same seller, or is it multiple sellers? How far are the eggs traveling? Is the packaging good? There's some reason you're having bad hatch rates, and if we find out what it might help. Do you get a lot of infertile eggs or do the embryos actually develop and then quit?

 

[HeatherKellyB]

Did you turn the turner off on day 18? If it was on past day 18 it probably disoriented them and made the malpositioned. I have the NR 360 too. I leave the turner in too, I haven't had any problems so far.

No I haven't used the turner at all since my eggs have been in such bad shape. I left it in because it helped keep the eggs from rolling or anything like that. You leave it in during hatching? I was so worried their foot would get stuck and break their legs

 

[HeatherKellyB]

So the eggs were still turned on day 18? Are all of your shipped eggs from the same seller, or is it multiple sellers? How far are the eggs traveling? Is the packaging good? There's some reason you're having bad hatch rates, and if we find out what it might help. Do you get a lot of infertile eggs or do the embryos actually develop and then quit?

It's from multiple sellers. The first 11 came from a Seller here on BYC. They assured me that the eggs would be delivered by that Saturday but I guess they didn't notice that USPS had added 1 to 2 days to their priority shipping. So the eggs sat over a holiday weekend and I didn't get them until the eggs were about 16 days old. I believe one or two out of 11 developed a little bit but were early quitters. All rolling/detached aircells that never corrected, even in spite of incubating upright with the pointy end down. They did have to travel a long ways MO to NC. The next order was 12 Dutch Bantams coming from Florida to NC. I believe 2 had saddled air cells and the others had rolling and saddled. I gave my broody silkie 5 and I incubated 7. She got 2 to hatch, 2 never developed and one quit very early on. I had 2 to make it to lockdown but only 1 hatched. Then I had an order of 6 eggs that were rolling/detached/HUGE aircells and 2 broken eggs. 2 developed and made it to lockdown but after careful inspection, one was a quitter maybe midway and the other just didn't hatch. I have a hygrometer and thermometer in all of the incubators so I don't depend on the bators readings.

 

[HeatherKellyB]

Incubating now, I have 6 dwarf breeds that came from TX to NC. Air cells were detached/rolling. All started to develop but I believe 2 were early quitters but I'm not 100% sure so they're still incubating. I also have 11 showgirls incubating and on Day 10. They didn't look promising when I candled but I didn't pick them up to candle. I always incubate upright at least until Day 10/11, or the entire time if necessary. All depending on the aircells. I keep humidity low since it can get extremely humid here in NC and greatly vary day to day. I have recently moved everything into a spare room with AC vents closed because I feel like location temp fluctuations could be part of my problem. I noticed the red light blinking to notify you of the NR 360 heating an awful lot before I moved it.
What are your thoughts. I am extremely grateful for your help. Also I know it's best to trace the air cells, and I have tried that but when the air cells move all over the egg, anytime the egg is moved, I hate to move it unless I'm "turning" (my turning consist of leaning to one side or the other for the eggs sitting upright in the cartons). I hand turn at least 3 times a day, more if possible, but always an odd amount of times. I've started moving the eggs around in the incubator just in case there are cool spots, daily.

 

[HeatherKellyB]

I'm looking at digital scales so I can base my humidity on weight loss. I plan to incorporate that asap

 

[HeatherKellyB]

@MGG, the blue chick was sleeping, but this is the amount of progress made by the other chick. The membrane is still intact where the shell is broken. It has a hole in the membrane formed at each end of the broken shell. Humidity is at 69%. I noticed an external pip (a crack) in the egg at the same time as the I noticed the pip in the hatched egg. The egg that has hatched seemed to be further along and was very vocal before this chick that is still in the egg. The chick that's trying to hatch is chirping

 

[HeatherKellyB]

I believe the 3rd egg is clear but I didn't get to candle it

 

[HeatherKellyB]

Updated picture of the egg trying to hatch. Does the progress look ok? I am only concerned about this one because the blue chick has accidentally knocked this one around a few times. I can see the chick breathing. It's broken through more of the membrane. But seems like it's changed positions. Humidity is at 70% @MGG

 

[MGG]

Updated picture of the egg trying to hatch. Does the progress look ok? I am only concerned about this one because the blue chick has accidentally knocked this one around a few times. I can see the chick breathing. It's broken through more of the membrane. But seems like it's changed positions. Humidity is at 70% @MGG View attachment 2218812

The membrane looks a bit dry. How long has it been pipped for? Can you see any active veins? Any yawning? If it were me I'd probably try to help the little one out. But only if he's ready.