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[Muggsmagee]

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I knew it was you.

FYI - Five toes is a dominant trait. Recessive traits, even such things like say a clean-faced bird, can still be handled through careful breeding and time. It's called test mating.

And I'm curious, what makes you think it will not turn out to Tolbunts? Tell me, with some genetics included in your answer. I'd love to know.



ETA - I'm certainly not selling any birds labelled as Tolbunts, and I'm informing the public of what really is going on. It is up to their decision to judge and name what they want. But if you insist on considering me wrong, I want to hear a well detailed answer. Genetically speaking too.

Sure, right after you include a detailed genetic list of why you think it will work. And you can test mate until you are blue in the face and have an unwanted gene not pop up until a few generations out. I thought we all knew this?

 

[mycutekitties]

I can't get over how huge my chicks crests are. I swear they have eyes! My WC Blues have HUGE crests for being babies (born late Spring).

This one has a smaller crest but sure is a cutie!

 

[chickendales]

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i had male with crest this large at this age so sad i lost him

 

[Totalcolour]

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I knew it was you.

FYI - Five toes is a dominant trait. Recessive traits, even such things like say a clean-faced bird, can still be handled through careful breeding and time. It's called test mating.

And I'm curious, what makes you think it will not turn out to Tolbunts? Tell me, with some genetics included in your answer. I'd love to know.



ETA - I'm certainly not selling any birds labelled as Tolbunts, and I'm informing the public of what really is going on. It is up to their decision to judge and name what they want. But if you insist on considering me wrong, I want to hear a well detailed answer. Genetically speaking too.

Sure, right after you include a detailed genetic list of why you think it will work. And you can test mate until you are blue in the face and have an unwanted gene not pop up until a few generations out. I thought we all knew this?

Genetically speaking - IF there is a dominant gene (say, five toes for example), when you breed that bird with another that does NOT have five toes (recessive for four on both sides); then if the resulting hatchling does not have five toes, then the Dominant gene for five toes has NOT been passed along (or it would show up) and cannot show up in later generations, because it isn't there to pass along.
Just saying...

ETA: The resulting hatchling is homozygous for four toes

 

[chickendales]

 

[mycutekitties]

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cute. sorry for your loss

 

[chickendales]

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cute. sorry for your loss

had older male that got lil cocky killed him

 

[Illia]

mycutekitties - Nice crests indeed!

Muggsmagee

If there's going to be a genetic problem that one can't solve, that's that. Things happen. Even in what seems to be perfectly good stock, closed, bred for decades, things happen. Either you cull both parents or you go on to something else.

Personally I find it funny that 1) Buff and Wheaten have 5 differences between each other but you appear fine with that, yet WCB and Tolbunt have 6 differences and you're seriously objecting? And 2) you won't bother answering my PM prior to your jump in on this thread, but, you jump in here?

Tolbunt x WCB can be done in the same methods as Wheaten x Buff and have the same drawbacks. Either F1 x Tolbunt or F1 x F1, either way you'll either get less than 1/16 of just what you want or 1/32 of just what you want, but either way it requires some good eye on who carries what. If you choose one who almost fits it but is missing a few things, breed it back either to another F1 (preferrably not related) or back to the parent of the desired color and choose from there, and so on. . . . I'm not going into detail though, I'm figuring if you know breeding/genetics as well as lacing in Polish (different than Wyandottes and Brahmas) you know what I'm talking about.

The Houdan Cross idea on an F1 WCB x Gold Laced works the same as F1 x F1, except the Houdan Cross's side is completely unrelated, plus he adds size to the mix. His fifth toe will be a problem, but only in 1/4 of the birds. If you choose a bird who appears to have 4 good toes on both feet but produces one with 5 when bred away from any Houdan carrier, cull it and use someone else.

Either way, the WCB addition does a lot of good improvements but yes, it takes a LOT to hatch out to get what you want, plus there's the white crest to avoid HOWEVER most Tolbunts already have a serious solid white feather issue, especially in the crest. That doesn't make it okay, but it doesn't make the issue a completely new sin.



But again, The WCB is just one "branch" of the project over all. I'll say it again - I'm not calling anything but my original two boys "Tolbunt" in color, not selling anything as such, and already said this is a long project. I'm well aware of what is going on with my project, and what genetics ARE involved.


Totalcolour - Exactly.

My Houdan cross is only carrying one copy of the five toed gene, and shows it. I've got a Houdan x pullet too - Also carrying one copy, also has one foot with five toes. Had a few that I culled a while ago too - Again, one foot had 5 toes.

 

[DancingHen]

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Just wanted to say that I think your new rooster is stunning. He has such great presence! All breeding opinions aside, I think he is beautiful. He is so massive and broad it makes me want to pick him up and hug him! Gorgeous boy.

 

[maybejoey]

Heres mine. He is my very sweet rooster that is very shy with the ladies. Does anyone know of a hat type thig to put over his head to protect his head feathers.( the ladies and other roo pick on his head)