Polish Tolbunt and "Candy Corn" (crele) Genetics Question

[MissD'uccle]

Ok everyone I need some genetics help please! I have not been able to find the answer and am hoping that someone here may have some better answers/explanations for me.


The question I have is regarding the "candy corn" (crele/tolbunt polish?) and the tolbunt polish. I know the tolbunts breed true and from my understanding the "candy corn" polish breed too also. Is this accurate?

Additionally, I have heard that the "candy corn" and the tolbunt are the same base colors but that the "candy corn" have the crele gene, whereas the tolbunts do not. Would this mean that housing tolbunts and "candy corns" together would produce either candy corns or tolbunts and not some odd mix?

I have a lovely flock of tolbunts that I am very excited about but I also have a pair (smooth roo and a frizzle hen) of beautiful "candy corns." I want to know if I can keep them all and have pure tolbunt or 'candy corn' babies from the flock.

Thanks!

 

[polishmom1744]

Do you get Crele Laced by Putting a Crele Roo over Gold Laced Hens???

 

[The Moonshiner]

What what are?
Is there supposed to be pics somewhere?

 

[Amer]

Finally an upload! Lol

Looks like tolbunt.

 

[Rpminch1]

Looks like tolbunt.

Thank you so much!

 

[FoxyDragon]

Random question could a candy corn hen and a tolbunt roo have a possibility of sexlink with the hen being barred and roo not? New to genetics so bear with me.

 

[Happy Henny]

I know this is an old post but there seems to be a lot of confussion with the words tolbunt, candy corn and crele polish and that they are the same thing but they are not. Tolbunt polish chickens are a totally different type of polish than Crele Polish. People though do refer to both of them as candy corn.

It is my understanding that Tolbunts breed true.

Crele polish you start with the breeding of Golden Lace Polish and Cuckoo Polish. Here is a video on crele polish/candy corn.

 

[The Moonshiner]

I know this is an old post but there seems to be a lot of confussion with the words tolbunt, candy corn and crele polish and that they are the same thing but they are not. Tolbunt polish chickens are a totally different type of polish than Crele Polish. People though do refer to both of them as candy corn.

It is my understanding that Tolbunts breed true.

Crele polish you start with the breeding of Golden Lace Polish and Cuckoo Polish. Here is a video on crele polish/candy corn.

I haven't heard of crele polish but crele is a well established pattern.
It isn't at all like candy corn or tolbunt.
Crele is barring on duckwing.
Candy corn is barring on gold laced.
Tolbunt is mottling on gold laced.
If correct all three patterns breed true.

 

[mybackyardhobbyfarm]

Ok everyone I need some genetics help please! I have not been able to find the answer and am hoping that someone here may have some better answers/explanations for me.


The question I have is regarding the "candy corn" (crele/tolbunt polish?) and the tolbunt polish. I know the tolbunts breed true and from my understanding the "candy corn" polish breed too also. Is this accurate?

Additionally, I have heard that the "candy corn" and the tolbunt are the same base colors but that the "candy corn" have the crele gene, whereas the tolbunts do not. Would this mean that housing tolbunts and "candy corns" together would produce either candy corns or tolbunts and not some odd mix?

I have a lovely flock of tolbunts that I am very excited about but I also have a pair (smooth roo and a frizzle hen) of beautiful "candy corns." I want to know if I can keep them all and have pure tolbunt or 'candy corn' babies from the flock.

Thanks!

 

[Illia]

To be honest I'm behind on the news of names of various unrecognized Polish breeds, but I assume "candy corn" is just a term for the various forms of the crele project, yes? Because so far I'm not seeing any mottled / tolbunt forms of crele. I just see various barred colored birds without visible mottling. So -

"Candy corn" does not breed entirely "true." They look the same to the untrained eye but they vary quite a bit, unless "candy corn" refers to a specific type of crele Polish. What I've seen are laced cuckoo, cuckoo with gold leakage in various locations such as the neck, mostly brown cuckoo with bits of black, and the closest to crele - cuckoo with golden brown neck, saddle, and in males, secondary feathers. If the term candy corn refers to the laced cuckoo type then yes, they do breed true. But the other color variants are bound to, well, vary, since they're often carrying only one copy of some sort of color.

Tolbunts and Candy Corn do in fact have the same base colors, the difference is that Tolbunts have the mottled gene (what makes that white tipping in the feathers) where Candy Corn and Crele alike do not. Also yes, Tolbunts do not have barring.

I do not recommend keeping both in the same pen at all. Your Candy Corns will pass on recessive mottling, thus the offspring of CC x Tolbunt will look all like Candy Corns, but carry a copy of the mottled gene, and that's a mess. You could think a bird has no background with mottling and suddenly the mottling will pop up in future generations if you don't pay attention to who carries recessive mottling and who doesn't. As for Tolbunts, you'll be introducing the barring, of which you don't want. It is easier to get rid of though, since it is dominant. But still - You don't want to throw barring into a Tolbunt flock.

Also of course, remember that there's more to this than color. Type is a huge thing. You want Tolbunt Polish, not Tolbunt crested chickens.