Polish X Naked Neck cross

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Naked Neck is the official term for the breed as it is recognized by both the American Poultry Association and the American Bantam Association. Turken is a misnomer, dreamed up by hatchery marketing people to entice the gullible to buy birds which supposedly resemble turkey X chicken crosses, leading these poor souls into believing that they have something strange and unusual. Today, fortunately such sensational advertising practices no longer exist, but unfortunately the term still persists, promoted in several less than honorable major hatchery catalogs. It is unfortunate that the proper term has been so misconstrued that even today some people believe that the improper term is the right one. The Nazis were right in this respect. They believed that if you repeated something long enough and frequently enough, people would begin to believe it, even if not true.

The use of layman terms or "common" names isn't unique to poultry or pervaded solely by extremists. It is human nature to use the term that is familiar. I have only heard Transylvanian Naked Necks referred to as Turkens. In point of fact I did not know that I was even using the incorrect name until the OP elluded to such. I learned something new, and am happy for the education. I have also learned through experience that it is permissible to allow people to use the "common" name of things without chiding them. I work in a nursery and greenhouse, I know most of the latin names for things better than I do the common names. But I don't disparage other folks for not knowing (or caring to know) the latin. Even if a Geranium with it's big pom-poms of red or pink flowers isn't REALLY a geranium (it is pelargonium properly), when someone asks me for one, I know what they mean and I know it's an innocent lack of proper information.

The inclination to believe what is heard the most or to perpetuate something so that it will be believed and accepted is human nature that goes back to time immemorial. The Nazis didn't invent the idea and they haven't been the last to employee it. But I digress...

Jarcoo0153: What skin color would you want to develop in your cross? Would you perpetuate the bright red neck in an NN Polish?
 
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Naked Neck is the official term for the breed as it is recognized by both the American Poultry Association and the American Bantam Association. Turken is a misnomer, dreamed up by hatchery marketing people to entice the gullible to buy birds which supposedly resemble turkey X chicken crosses, leading these poor souls into believing that they have something strange and unusual. Today, fortunately such sensational advertising practices no longer exist, but unfortunately the term still persists, promoted in several less than honorable major hatchery catalogs. It is unfortunate that the proper term has been so misconstrued that even today some people believe that the improper term is the right one. The Nazis were right in this respect. They believed that if you repeated something long enough and frequently enough, people would begin to believe it, even if not true.

The use of layman terms or "common" names isn't unique to poultry or pervaded solely by extremists. It is human nature to use the term that is familiar. I have only heard Transylvanian Naked Necks referred to as Turkens. In point of fact I did not know that I was even using the incorrect name until the OP elluded to such. I learned something new, and am happy for the education. I have also learned through experience that it is permissible to allow people to use the "common" name of things without chiding them. I work in a nursery and greenhouse, I know most of the latin names for things better than I do the common names. But I don't disparage other folks for not knowing (or caring to know) the latin. Even if a Geranium with it's big pom-poms of red or pink flowers isn't REALLY a geranium (it is pelargonium properly), when someone asks me for one, I know what they mean and I know it's an innocent lack of proper information.

The inclination to believe what is heard the most or to perpetuate something so that it will be believed and accepted is human nature that goes back to time immemorial. The Nazis didn't invent the idea and they haven't been the last to employee it. But I digress...

Jarcoo0153: What skin color would you want to develop in your cross? Would you perpetuate the bright red neck in an NN Polish?

I'm sorry that you misunderstood the intent of my post. I didn't mean to chide anyone, was just trying to provide a factual answer to your question. You asked about the correct term for the breed, if I understand you properly. Now, if someone heard you talking about a pelargonium, and said: "Um, don't you mean geranium?", wouldn't you give them the explanation that you did above? If I see someone pointing to a bird, saying:"Look at the turken.", I wouldn't correct them, like you with the geraniums, but if asked which is correct of course I would answer truthfully with the correct information. Along those lines, although Transylvanian is sometimes still attached to the breed name, again, usually by those trying to promote it to make it sound more exotic and interesting, the official name of the breed is simply Naked Neck. Wether or not they originated in Transylvania is up for debate, but even if so, the country name was not applied to the breed as it was recognized.
 
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The use of layman terms or "common" names isn't unique to poultry or pervaded solely by extremists. It is human nature to use the term that is familiar. I have only heard Transylvanian Naked Necks referred to as Turkens. In point of fact I did not know that I was even using the incorrect name until the OP elluded to such. I learned something new, and am happy for the education. I have also learned through experience that it is permissible to allow people to use the "common" name of things without chiding them. I work in a nursery and greenhouse, I know most of the latin names for things better than I do the common names. But I don't disparage other folks for not knowing (or caring to know) the latin. Even if a Geranium with it's big pom-poms of red or pink flowers isn't REALLY a geranium (it is pelargonium properly), when someone asks me for one, I know what they mean and I know it's an innocent lack of proper information.

The inclination to believe what is heard the most or to perpetuate something so that it will be believed and accepted is human nature that goes back to time immemorial. The Nazis didn't invent the idea and they haven't been the last to employee it. But I digress...

Jarcoo0153: What skin color would you want to develop in your cross? Would you perpetuate the bright red neck in an NN Polish?

I'm sorry that you misunderstood the intent of my post. I didn't mean to chide anyone, was just trying to provide a factual answer to your question. You asked about the correct term for the breed, if I understand you properly. Now, if someone heard you talking about a pelargonium, and said: "Um, don't you mean geranium?", wouldn't you give them the explanation that you did above? If I see someone pointing to a bird, saying:"Look at the turken.", I wouldn't correct them, like you with the geraniums, but if asked which is correct of course I would answer truthfully with the correct information. Along those lines, although Transylvanian is sometimes still attached to the breed name, again, usually by those trying to promote it to make it sound more exotic and interesting, the official name of the breed is simply Naked Neck. Wether or not they originated in Transylvania is up for debate, but even if so, the country name was not applied to the breed as it was recognized.

Well clarified... I would of course correct if correction was asked for. In truth it is easy to mistake meaning online. I was unclear what the original poster in his own mind meant, and was seeking his definition. I am still glad for the education that I have received from everyone! Thank you.
 
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Agreed!!

It gives it a disignation that is more of a title than a descriptive. Especially since there is more than one breed with a naked neck now!! It is no longer the reality that you can say "I have a naked necked chicken" and have it only apply to the breed typically referred to as (Transylvanian)Naked Neck. If other breeders continue to perpetuate the NN trait with body characteristics of other previously non-NN breeds, the re-titling of Naked Necks as a breed may become more important.
 
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If other breeders continue to perpetuate the NN trait with body characteristics of other previously non-NN breeds, the re-titling of Naked Necks as a breed may become more important.

Not necessarily. The Malgache Gamefowl do perfectly well with their name, without causing any confusion with the true Naked Neck breed.​
 
I am wanting to cross my standard Transylvanian Naked Neck ( not no showgirl), I dont want no silkie blood in them, with standard Polish, with normal feathers. Anybody have any pics?
I know this old, but this is exactly what I’m getting ready to do! Did you ever get them where you wanted them? Pics of the turnout?
 

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