Polish x ???

[Kev]

Ya that's true however when one says buff polish, it usually means buff lace which is dominant white on a gold lace pattern. It's possible but not too common for birds with buff coloring to be recessive white based.

Bit of a surprise the chicks don't have DW if the hen really is a buff lace, it would prove she is het not hom.

perhaps pictures of the hen would be interesting?

 

[Griffinsong]

Ya that's true however when one says buff polish, it usually means buff lace which is dominant white on a gold lace pattern. It's possible but not too common for birds with buff coloring to be recessive white based.

Bit of a surprise the chicks don't have DW if the hen really is a buff lace, it would prove she is het not hom.

perhaps pictures of the hen would be interesting?

Ah, just edited my post for clarity. I was talking about the White hen the TC said they own, not the Buff [which probably is a white laced buff indeed]

the white one could be recessive white over black laced gold.

 

[Kev]

Ah, just edited my post for clarity. I was talking about the White hen the TC said they own, not the Buff [which probably is a white laced buff indeed]

the white one could be recessive white over black laced gold.

TC?

considered that, the description of the hen being buff is a puzzle. High percentage of RW are white, no other color.. I'm aware of the odd one showing fair amount of color but as buff laces being common polish color, assumed it was more likely DW was involved.

My other thought was the hen was from mixed color group. Buff laced crossed with another color... I had a group of different color polish running together, many chicks came out with buff/gold wash over the entire body with no discernible pattern.

 

[Griffinsong]

TC?

considered that, the description of the hen being buff is a puzzle. High percentage of RW are white, no other color.. I'm aware of the odd one showing fair amount of color but as buff laces being common polish color, assumed it was more likely DW was involved.

My other thought was the hen was from mixed color group. Buff laced crossed with another color... I had a group of different color polish running together, many chicks came out with buff/gold wash over the entire body with no discernible pattern.

Ah TC is forum shorthand for topic creator.

He[assuming from forum name here, sorry if wrong] said there was both a white hen and a gold/orange hen a few posts back. The buff mentioned in the first post is of course that goldish one, but I was just saying there is a possibility the mother is the other hen, the all white one, because that is more likely to be recessive white over a different color, like black laced gold.

 

[EricMd01]

Idk what you guys(or gals) are talking about for the most part but I will ask the person I got the eggs from for pics. Isaw her birds though. If i'm not mistaken she had 3 of the white/gold polish hens. I think she had some other polish hens so maybe I'm mistaken on which hens were the mother.

 

[Griffinsong]

Ah I guess I misunderstood you, I thought you meant two different hens with two different colors. White and gold/orange together does sound like a white laced buff, yeah.

It's likely the mom was one of the other Polish hens there, then, the chicks look incomplete gold laced, too dark to be from a white laced hen.

 

[Kev]

Yeah agreed the other color hens were the mothers not the buffs. I was mistaken in thinking there was only one polish hen. Sorry.

 

[EricMd01]

She also has a golden polish hen. 2 buffs and a golden. She sent me pics and the golden is def the mother. Thanks so much for everyones help and input.

 

[Kev]

Basically what I was talking about is a specific gene called dominant white. It 'turns' black pigments to white and leaves red/brown pigments mostly untouched. For example the main difference between gold lace and buff lace is the latter has dominant white.... DW turned the black edging on a gold lace to white, creating a buff lace.

A cross with a bird that has DW is supposed to produce chicks that are 'lacking' the dark or black areas- if the buff laceds were the mothers, the chicks should be way lighter and not have black pigments in the feathers(being overly simple in explanation but that is the general idea). So those pictures were bit of a surprise. Totally expected with a gold laced mother though....

Griffinsong brought up the possibility of another kind of genetic white- recessive white. A cross of a colored bird with a recessive white bird would produce colored chicks.

So Griffinsong and I were going back and forth trying to figure out what was up with the color of chicks but it's been all resolved now with gold laced as being the mother.

 

[Griffinsong]

Yeah, I misread one of the posts and I was under the impression a completely white bird was also involved, which can be caused by dominant white [on a genetically fully black bird], but also by 2 recessive white genes. The latter will hide any color below it so it is a bit of a wild card. It was an interesting bit of genetics banter, though. I'm still learning lots of new things about how they work.