Poorly duckling - bent neck! Please help.

[casportpony]

Is the bottle 460 grams?

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

. Brain injury is the cause I feel fairly certain about.

Water on the brain was seen in a necropsy of an affected bird in Florida. Prednisone (read on about different opinions on prednisone) was suggested as symptomatic relief and vitamin E and vitamins B complex are both good for neurological disorders. Selenium helps animals absorb vitamin E.

Here's what I do for affected birds. If started before symptoms get severe, the bird will usually totally recover.

The Most Important Treatment

It is important to be sure your bird gets enough to eat and drink while she has this problem. Birds with severe cases of crookneck can't eat and drink enough to survive. You will need to gently place their head in the feed dish and carefully dip just the tip of the beak in water. Be careful not to dip too far into the water and to not stress the bird while trying to help.

In severe cases, you will need to use a hand feeding syringe and hand rearing formula for cage birds. My boy Spot had to be hand fed for 2 months but he survived to father lots of healthy chicks.

If you and your bird are lucky, hand feeding and the vitamins will be all that is needed.

Giving Prednisone Must Not Be Abruptly Stopped

Before I present my treatment I need to mention that a couple vets have expressed concern about using prednisone. They suggested instead giving Celebrex or Metacam. They are also anti-inflammatory. I can understand their concern but I gradually reduce the dose and do not just one day stop giving prednisone. I have seen no adverse effects and prednisone is inexpensive while Celebrex and Metacam are expensive.

Many vets think prednisone OK and in fact is was prescribed for a bird of mine.

Veterinary Information on Prednisone

My Treatment for Crookneck

If started before symptoms get severe, the bird will totally recover. The following is for an adult about 2 pound bird. Scale back for smaller birds. Do not over do the selenium; it is toxic in large amounts. Animals are more tolerant of vitamin E especially and of vitamin B.

• For the first week I give
  • Once a day
    • About 1/4 piece of human vitamin B complex pill or a squirt of human B liquid vitamins
    • :25 micrograms selenium
  • Twice a day
    • 2.5 mg of prednisone
    • 400 IU of vitamin E
• For the second week I give
  • Once a day
    • 2.5 mg of prednisone
    • 400 IU of vitamin E
    • About 1/4 piece of human vitamin B complex pill or a squirt of human B liquid vitamins
  • Every other day
    • :25 micrograms selenium
• For the third and following weeks I give
  • Once a day
    • 2.5 mg of prednisone - less and less each day - none after third week
    • 400 IU of vitamin E
    • A piece of human vitamin B complex pill or a squirt of human liquid vitamins
  • Once a week
    • :25 micrograms selenium

Do not abruptly stop prednisone, the swelling rebounds. Decrease the dose gradually. Recovery can be slow; continue the vitamin E for several weeks at least.

You can get prednisone from a vet; just describe the problem of swelling in the brain probably due to injury. Yes Silkies' brains do stick out through a hole on the top of the skull. Print the pictures at Silkies Have a Hole in Their Head and show them to your vet.

Your vet might suggest a different anti inflammatory like Celebrex or Metacam.

You can get the vitamin E, selenium, and vitamin B complex or liquid vitamins at any pharmacy.

A Vet's Review of this Therapy

Diana Hedrick asked Janny Hermans, a poultry specialist in the Netherlands, to review this Therapy. Janny Hermans' reply is below. Janny Hermans warns about over doing the prednisone and agrees the vitamins E and B can also help. She does however address the possibility of poisoning causing the neurological problems. She suggests an antibiotic in case bacteria are the source of the poison.

Dear Diana,

I'll try to write English and I'm sure we'll understand each other. If you really found her on her back, that means she totally lost her balance. This is a severe neurological symptom and therefore I agree for a great deal with the article of Alan. I don't think your cat attacked her. Then you should see wounds on her head, if the symptoms are so bad.

It's more likely that she suffers from an intoxication of any kind. It's difficult how to react, because there are no real detoxification methods. Antibiotics are a good thing and I think your choice of amoxicillin was a right one. Amoxicillin passes the blood brain barrier and is our first choice antibiotic in Streptococcus or Staphylococcus infections in the brain. Amoxicillin also is the best antibiotic in an infection with Clostridium perfringens (a brother of the bacteria that causes botulism). These Clostridia bacteria all cause cramps or paralysis of muscles. The real problem is that these bacteria also produce toxins against which no therapy is possible.

So my therapy would be the same: Amoxicillin for a day or 7 and perhaps a little bit prednisone (I've never heard of the hole in Silkies brains, but prednisone causes no harm if you give it shortly). A little bit of vitamin E and B can help also.

I hope I helped you a bit!!

Janny Hermans Poultry veterinarian

 

[MulberryC87]

Thank you for this post.

I have read this and another post.

I now have vitimin E capsules and selenium.
A lot of people were giving selenium 1 full tablet so I gave half due to the duck being 7 weeks old.

I mixed this into Greek yogurt with a Vit E capsule, I also added a bit of feed in to make it more palletable.he seemed to love it.

I'll give him some more Vit E later and going out to get some vitimin drops for their water. I see that ploy vi sol has also been used but I have tried to look for this and I can't find it. Not sure if they have this in the UK!

Also continuing with the Brewers yeast - if I have Brewers yeast do I need the water vitamins??

He seems OK in himself, still grooming, walking around, swimming etc.

So fingers crossed, with patients this may help. I'll keep you posted in his progress.

 

[quackers619]

Thank you for this post.

I have read this and another post.

I now have vitimin E capsules and selenium.
A lot of people were giving selenium 1 full tablet so I gave half due to the duck being 7 weeks old.

I mixed this into Greek yogurt with a Vit E capsule, I also added a bit of feed in to make it more palletable.he seemed to love it.

I'll give him some more Vit E later and going out to get some vitimin drops for their water. I see that ploy vi sol has also been used but I have tried to look for this and I can't find it. Not sure if they have this in the UK!

Also continuing with the Brewers yeast - if I have Brewers yeast do I need the water vitamins??

He seems OK in himself, still grooming, walking around, swimming etc.

So fingers crossed, with patients this may help. I'll keep you posted in his progress.

please do, Be patient....I almost put my blind duck to sleep and that would have been a big mistake. we are rooting for the little guy

 

[quackers619]

how is the little guy doing?

 

[MulberryC87]

Hey,

He is pretty much the same. Lays down a lot and rests. But I know I would feel like that if my neck was out of place.

But he seems in good spirits today when we are around, still eating and drinking ok. Tries to run around the garden a bit. Sometimes toppled over.

Just keeping a close eye on him, and feeding him his medicine. Was really hoping to see a difference straight away - but hoping in a week or so!

Thanks for asking.

 

[casportpony]

Hey,

He is pretty much the same. Lays down a lot and rests. But I know I would feel like that if my neck was out of place.

But he seems in good spirits today when we are around, still eating and drinking ok. Tries to run around the garden a bit. Sometimes toppled over.

Just keeping a close eye on him, and feeding him his medicine. Was really hoping to see a difference straight away - but hoping in a week or so!

Thanks for asking.

Can you post more pictures of him?

-Kathy

 

[MulberryC87]

Hi Kathy

I haven't got any recent ones since his neck changed.

His neck is more lower and to the right than this photo of this helps?

He's tired tonight, laying a lot and just wanted to lay down when they were put to bed. But he was out and about in the garden and seemed OK, so may be cause he is shattered.

Really hope I'm doing the right thing for him, he had only been having the vitimins in his water and the right vitimin E capsules since Sunday!

I will try and get some more photos tomorrow - I need to cause I can't believe how quick they grow! It's like they are going through their teenage bit, quack keeps changing and the feathers are really coming out. Willbur seems to still be growing ok.

 

[casportpony]

Hi Kathy

I haven't got any recent ones since his neck changed.

His neck is more lower and to the right than this photo of this helps?

He's tired tonight, laying a lot and just wanted to lay down when they were put to bed. But he was out and about in the garden and seemed OK, so may be cause he is shattered.

Really hope I'm doing the right thing for him, he had only been having the vitimins in his water and the right vitimin E capsules since Sunday!

I will try and get some more photos tomorrow - I need to cause I can't believe how quick they grow! It's like they are going through their teenage bit, quack keeps changing and the feathers are really coming out. Willbur seems to still be growing ok.

Post some updated pictures when you can.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

I have a duck with the genetic form of wry neck, and I'll see if I can get some pictures of her.

https://archive.org/stream/The_Chic...The Chicken Health Handbook Complete_djvu.txt


Genetic Defects

Two common hereditary defects, wry neck and wry tail, are caused by re-
cessive genes, meaning diey show up only when two birds are mated diat carry
the same gene.

Wry or twisted neck, resulting from curvature of the spine or "scoliosis,"
occurs as birds grow, and is particularly common among brown Leghorns. It
usually happens to a group of related birds and does not affect their ability to
drink.

Wry or twisted tail is a condition in which the tail feathers lean or twist to
one side due to weakness in the vertebrae that hold die tail. Wry tail usually
shows up as the tail feathers grow and become heavy.

Do not use birds wii h either of these defects as breeders. Cull breeders you
can identify as carrying these recessive genes.