Porcelain Silkies

[Sonoran Silkies]

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LOL You're used to them. I can't tell a grey from a blue. And patterns on top....I also can't imagine how one could tell whether the partridge & grey are pure for pattern gene.
Your birds do look really pretty. Do you have any pics of your part way mille fleurs? I'd be curious to see how the pattern looks on a silkie.

Nice & confusing, the chap choosing to call his almost isobel silkies 'porcelain' but seems that's chickens.

Well, blues have no discernable pattern on silkie feathers; greys look like they are covered with silvery white speckles. I don't have an uploaded photo of a blue, but here is a grey hen.

I'll try to get feather closeups tomorrow. Yes, it is not realistic to look at a silkie feather and determine that the penciling is correct. Of course you could breed to a non-silkie to see what you get

 

[BamaChicken]

Porcelain and lavender in silkie feathering is the prettiest to me. George has some of the prettiest. Almost makes me want silkies again but just don't have room for them anymore.

 

[iluvmychicks]

This is interesting, I always thought porcelain and lavender were the same thing but it's not. I can see obvious differences in the porcelain color and the lavenders that Bren from Cozy Silkies has, her birds have more of a blue hue to them. So actual lavender is just blue?? It's not crossed with any other color to produce that color right?? Where the porcelain is......right?? Gorgeous birds by the way.


Shari

 

[KinderKorner]

Lavender is like blue, almost purple.

While Porcelain is more buffish. I believe. Way different colors.

But yes George's birds so lovely.

I wanted to get some whites and lavenders from him too. But he only ships 4 at a time, and well. I don't have a few hundred more dollars. So maybe spring, or next fall.

 

[iluvmychicks]

Thank you Kinder for answering my question. I've thought about working on lavender silkies for a couple years now, maybe someday The birds your got from George are gorgeous, I hope you can get your whites and lavs

Yea, going back and looking at the pics again you can definitely tell a difference, the lavenders do have a really light purple color to them. Both the porcelain and lavender are beautiful!!! Good luck with your program!

Shari

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Lavender is the lavender gene, whereas blue is the blue gene. The palest blues and the darkest lavenders are about the same shade. Lavender is completly unicolour--no darker areas on individual feathers or on different body parts. Blue is laced or edged with a darker blue (usually, there are exceptions), and the head, hackles and saddle are darker.

 

[iluvmychicks]

Thank you Sonoran! I have a picture of a male I'd like to share. This male is extremely light blue, to me he looks like he's carrying lavender however I've never introduced any lavender in my blues. With that said, I did select for the light blue over the years so I'm assuming he's still andalusian just very light. What do you think??


This is taken with a flash.

Without a flash.

 

[Kev]

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Lavender has a very confusing naming issue. It is the name of the specific mutant gene. But, lavender is also called self blue.. Very often both lavender and self blue is used to describe a lavender bird that is a solid, even color. They are simply in reality a solid BLACK chicken pure for lavender. Lavender dilutes the black to a soft grey color.

Porcelain is supposed to be the name of a mille fleur with the addition of lavender. Lavender also dilutes the gold/red pigments, that is why Porcelains are soft grey and straw colored all over.

It's the hobby habit of coming up with different names for either the same thing or even totally different things. It would be much clearer if terms like "self lavender" was used for a solid colored lavender and "lavender mille fleur" were used for porcelains instead. I hope the goal with porcelain silkies is lavender mille fleur silkies.. otherwise if that's what "porcelain silkies" are supposed to look like it's just another addition to confusing names in the hobby. This is because porcelain is already well established name for lavender mille fleur...

 

[Krys109uk]

otherwise if that's what "porcelain silkies" are supposed to look like it's just another addition to confusing names in the hobby. This is because porcelain is already well established name for lavender mille fleur...

Seems in this case the birds given the title 'porcelain' are more like a sort of isobel.

Confusing for us I know. But it seems to happen in so many breeds. Recently I've seen cochins called lemon blue that are not what we know as lemon blue; brahmas called lemon pyle which weren't pyle (splash buff columbian by the looks of it). Then we've got people in various countries calling the same colour different names.....I'm surprised any of us ever know what we're talking about.....& perhaps we don't.

 

[Kev]

lol yeah.. It would be really nice if the names were more or less standardized.... pretty much nobody would accept calling a light brahma a "all white" bird so why is some names given such leeway even though the concept is sometimes essentially the same?

Just in case in regard to this thread- I'm loving the work with new colors, some of these birds are really beautiful, it's only the naming system I'm commenting on.