Porcelian Silie Chicks

[Brody's Broodello]

On the whole IP & Lav colors. Does anyone have a working standard for these two colors. Since Lav is suppose to go for approval in 2010, there should be a working standard for this color. I have not been able to find one, anyone else? If there is a standard for IP, it would help with some of the confusion about what IP is suppose to look like.

 

[poultryinmotion]

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Thanks April! The chick you mentioned looks nothing like either of my "porcelains" did when they were that age. all of mine have had strips of one form or the other. Despite what you may have read from the hopefuls, phenotype has not been fully achieved ( the way they should look). In my oppinion (just my own) genotype is even farther out than that, But it appears some are coming to the same conclusions I have. What we want is to be sure that "2 phenotypes" male and female bred together will consistantly produce the same as the parents. Genotype is knowing the things on the inside (Genes)you can't see on the outside that makes up the phenotype. Why people use these terms for the masses is beyond me.

I hope I have helped you as much as you have helped me.

Paul

Just one more thing to confuse you. I have a friend with lavs. The 1 week old chicks look almost like a splash chick of the same age.. no stripes at all.

Lavender and blue are not mutually exclusive--a bird can be both, and blue gene seems to prevail in expression, although you will see evidence of both.

As for using the terms for the masses, explain how you can say it in a simpler manner and we will be happy to oblige. Genetics is complicated.

I am sorry we seem to have gotten off to a bad start. Please forgive. (I do mean that) you asked for it so here it is. Try explaining the terms with a simple definition most people would understand rather than using the word itself. If my grandaughter read your post and didn't have me to explain it to her what then? If you email or message me I know what you are saying, but I dont think everyone else does or they wouldn't complain about how their head hurts sometimes. I could be completey wrong and I apologize if I am. You have a great amount of knowledge inside you. All I ask is that when you share, it is for everyone not just people like me. As for your explanation of Lavs... Once again as for the blues..(you mentioned)I have seen striped blue chics and blues with no stripes. (phenotype??) Just so you know I truely detest breeding these beautiful birds to a certain color standard. It painfully reminds me of all my dove breeding. I still have doves but now I let them have fun. I would like to be your friend if you let me, but I do tend to speak my mind at times, and doubt most everything. Maybe I am just a grumpy old man that loves his birds.

One question for you before I end. If I had a splash only pen and bred them over and over back to their offspring what would the result be after 3 years? What would the chickens look like? Thank you for your response.

Hope to be your friend
Paul

 

[FireTigeris]

Um, little definitions of genetic terms?

Phenotype= 'looks like' (outside of the book)
Genotype= 'carries' or 'caries the traits of' (inside of the book)
dominant= 'strong trait' (the parts you remember, main characters)
recessive= 'weak trait' (the red shirts... whoops- wrong analogy, the forgotten characters)

-no small definition available in my head-
trait- aspect, type, kind, color, shape, healthy size/weight, of a living thing.

 

[Willjg]

Hey there,

Sorry I just had to jump in here.
Poultryinmotion-----that Porcelain of yours is AWESOME looking! Seriously one of the best looking I've ever seen. WOW!

I don't want to step on any toes here ever as I really enjoy this message board. But I know what you mean about terminology and the whole genetics thing getting frustrating.... I've seen things in my pens (chicks) come out in ways that technically they shouldn't have...I've just come to believe that there will always be surprises and things very hard to predict. And I think some of these fantastic specimens really just come out of pure random luck.

Whatever techniques you have in your breeding pens, they sure seem to be working and producing something really beautiful if you ask me.

Take Care,
Bill.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Brody's Broodello :

On the whole IP & Lav colors. Does anyone have a working standard for these two colors. Since Lav is suppose to go for approval in 2010, there should be a working standard for this color. I have not been able to find one, anyone else? If there is a standard for IP, it would help with some of the confusion about what IP is suppose to look like.

No difference in the standard for lavender in silkies than in other colours (APA & ABA call it self-blue).

I spoke with George Mihalik (porcelain silkie creator) a couple of weeks ago and he agreed that the porcelains need to have mottle bred into them so that they conform to the true porcelain standard. Right now they have quite variable appearance. All lovely, but hard to document. He showed 3 or 4 in Tucson and none looked the same. One is close to mine (that he bred), but his has more lavender than does Issa. If you look at a porcelain d'uccle, that is the colour he wants to achieve.​

 

[Brody's Broodello]

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No difference in the standard for lavender in silkies than in other colours (APA & ABA call it self-blue).

I spoke with George Mihalik (porcelain silkie creator) a couple of weeks ago and he agreed that the porcelains need to have mottle bred into them so that they conform to the true porcelain standard. Right now they have quite variable appearance. All lovely, but hard to document. He showed 3 or 4 in Tucson and none looked the same. One is close to mine (that he bred), but his has more lavender than does Issa. If you look at a porcelain d'uccle, that is the colour he wants to achieve.

I understand the breed standard is the same. What I was asking for is a definition for the color, since it would not be exactly the same for silkies than in other breeds,is OEG. Thanks

 

[friedeggs]

Brodys' Bordello.
Try thinking what buff will look like diluted.. But lavender in a full dose. Smutty base buff, porcelains should be lavender @ the base. one that also shows columbian. Take a look at their heads. diluted black. Or think about what would happen if you dliuted out a lakenvelder.
I took Juan to a smutty based hen with columbian features. I'm getting porcelain starters that need just one more dose of lavender. I've never had one come up this way. That Juan. Loves his Zoila. And it shows in the kids. And no, not carrying and partridge in these chicks.

 

[friedeggs]

oops. Sorry mom. Sorry Brody. Broodello. Did I get it right?

 

[poultryinmotion]

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I loved the redshirts!!!

Paul

 

[poultryinmotion]

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Sorry Friedeggs but for personal reasons I can't get past "Lavender" in silkies.