Possible New Rule to ID Every Chicken

[Alleyoops25]

THanks Silkiepjsg, I apperciate the back up. Thenewchick, has found one of the many sites that talks about this subject. It is called the "real ID", The Drivers License moderization act of 2002 H.R. 4633, title 23. THese microchips have every bit of your personal information in them. Some of the sites I looked at are for this happening, and are trying to sale it as away to stop idenity theft. However how long do you think it will take before a really smart computer genious can steal the drivers license that has another one of these micro chips and scans off all this information?I dont think it would be that hard for someone to do all they need is to have the right equipment. I was thinking the same thing as silkiepjsg, and thenewchick were. With all the problems in isreal, and communist countries that have nukes pointed this direction, and the severity of the natural desasters, and now this mess with mirco chips. I to think we could be looking at the second coming of Christ, and devil him self. Anyway this micro chip thing needs to be fought hard. It is very scary to think about have a device that could be used to track us down and know exactly where we are at any giving moment.

 

[silkiepjsg]

You're welcome alleyoops25.

I hear it from my husband all of the time: "It just could never happen." But the situation on the earth will be such sometime in the future where it will happen, and then he will be surprised, along with many other people.

I DO NOT think that we should sit back and "just let it happen."
This is why I posted this. We need to all be aware of what is going on around us. No, this is not right, not right at all. Not for animals, not for people.
At the end of time it will come around and most people will think that it is for the countries good/best interest. And those who are willing to risk their lives for what is truely right and good will be seen as the ones causing more trouble, as going against the grain.

So, TheNewChick, I glanced at the site you posted. I will have to go and spend more time there when I get a longer moment.. So, is it saying that the microchip will be embedded on the drivers license?

I've heard that there is tecnology where all of your bank accounts and everything can be put on a microchip. That we don't really even need any cash anymore, just a microchip....

 

[sillygoose4ever]

They should just leave up alone and let us deal with it! We know more about our birds than they ever will. I hate having to get my animals tested just to sell them or take them to a show...

 

[usbr]

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If you are refering to the origional posted link, it wont pass because it dont exist. That link is from a pretty radical group with a political agenda. Why they are sending around emails that are so untrue is unknown to me but aparently they still are. These are not new and have been floating around for quite some time.


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I think you are missing the point of the goverment wanting premises registration. There is no sence in just looking at the big farms, they already know they exist (taxes, permits, ect.), its all the small farmers or even people with backyard flocks. The idea behind premises registration is to just know where people own animals in case of outbreaks, again, pretty usless if they are just looking at the big farms that they already know exist.

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OK, I just have to ask, what makes you think you have greater ability to diaginose an outbreak and to control it? Keep in mind that the key is to control its spread once it starts (I believe Wisconsins goal is 48 hours from outbreak). I dont think for a minute you could do a better job, your up against way too deep of pockets and if you extend it past the state level, its a pretty big footprint.

Premises registration is more than the goverment just trying to find out more about you. The sky is not falling and the end of the world is not on us.

 

[TheOLDNewChick]

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From what I understand it'll be imbedded in the hand, like a credit card almost, where you just swipe your hand as an ID. -- http://www.thenewstoday.info/2007/06/29/human.bar.code.html


edit; This is another website that may help everyone else better understand. http://nonationalid.com/

 

[farmgirl2477]

From what Im reading, its embeded in an ID card. But next could be your hand! Here is the site I found to be the easiest to read. I understand that anyone can post anything on the internet, but as I read more, the more bells go on in my head of hearing of all this in the past.

http://news.com.com/FAQ+How+Real+ID+will+affect+you/2100-1028_3-5697111.html?tag=st.num

 

[usbr]

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I think your understanding is way off. Nowhere is it stated that the federal goverment wants to put a RFID chips in a human, thats simply not going to happen. In fact, RFID chips are not even required for the states to be in compliance with the federal law, its just the most logical choice (but not a requirement). Some states use magnetic strips like on credit cards just fine, just those would not be in compliance unless they are standardized (they are currently not standardized).

If states dont comply with the law in a couple years when it goes into effect, the states will not recieve some federal money. Even at the risk of loosing federal money, almost half of the states passed legislation stating they will not comply with the federal law, some stating it is an unfunded mandate.

*****This thread started talking about a mandated tagging/chipping of all chickens (all animals). That was not true, never was. Now people are talking about the Real ID Act which is much different than IDing animals. Fortunatly, the Real ID Act is not trying or wanting to chip people or even mandating chiping ID cards, only mandating uniform ID for all states to use. Its a big difference folks.*****

HTH

 

[TheOLDNewChick]

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I think your understanding is way off. Nowhere is it stated that the federal goverment wants to put a RFID chips in a human, thats simply not going to happen. In fact, RFID chips are not even required for the states to be in compliance with the federal law, its just the most logical choice (but not a requirement). Some states use magnetic strips like on credit cards just fine, just those would not be in compliance unless they are standardized (they are currently not standardized).

If states dont comply with the law in a couple years when it goes into effect, the states will not recieve some federal money. Even at the risk of loosing federal money, almost half of the states passed legislation stating they will not comply with the federal law, some stating it is an unfunded mandate.

*****This thread started talking about a mandated tagging/chipping of all chickens (all animals). That was not true, never was. Now people are talking about the Real ID Act which is much different than IDing animals. Fortunatly, the Real ID Act is not trying or wanting to chip people or even mandating chiping ID cards, only mandating uniform ID for all states to use. Its a big difference folks.*****

HTH

I shall dig through my MSN favorites list and find the website where I first read about the Real ID Act. That may NOT be the chip they imbed in the hand, but if they go one step, what's stopping them from going the next? Eventually it WILL happen, whether or not you believe it, it says something about it in the bible in Revelation, so eventually this Real ID Act will evolve into a chip implanted in the hand, no ID or drivers license to be further needed.

 

[Mark]

I've browsed through this when reading material on 'organic farming' pages.

The ID'ing of every animal is being justified as a way to control disease. Think bird flu..

The advantage to 'factory farms' is pretty simple. You can ID the animals, or confined the animals to a registered building. Registering a building is going to be expensive, so it is easiest for the big agricultural corporations. The small farmer will have to go the tagging route.

On the 'organic farm' sites, the bill is viewed as a 'big agriculture' effort to shut down small farms. In the general media, it is portrayed as a way to control possible 'bird flu' outbreaks.

 

[Frozen Feathers]

This is more then one bill. NAIS is happening. Currently this is voluntary...but for how much longer??? Already 2/3rds of hog "farms" are registered (if you can even call them farms, I like to call them hog factories... )THOSE (them and meat chicken farms) are the only places that would be allowed to register their animals as a "unit". The only farms that could register as a unit are ones that raise large groups of animals and slaughter large groups of animals at the same time. Unit registering would not apply to Dairy, Fiber or Beef animals, Dairy cattle aren't raised and slaughtered in lots. Fiber animals aren't, how many people raise Llamas, Alpaca sheep or goats in "units"?? Beef cattle may end up in feed lots, but they may start on a small acreage farms. Feed lots don't raise cattle from birth. So actually most animals would need to registered individually.

The thing that some people are missing about the problems of NAIS is that a person like myself would have to report to government each time I sell an animal, go to a show, dispose of an animal or anytime that animal leaves my property. With a government that is in so much deficit already, do we really want or need to pay the amount of money this program is going to cost operate?? The paperwork, the manpower (who are you going to report to, the DMV???) the microchips...that cost money.


NAIS is going to put an end to what little small scale farms their are left. Sorry, but their's no money in dairy farming, I worked on one for 7 years as a kid. How are those people going to afford to ID every new animal?? Like I said earlier a dairy farm couldn't register their animals as a unit because calves/cows and bulls are constantly being born, sold and replaced. Each animal would need to be registered individually. The family i worked for shows their cattle as well. They may go to as many as 15 or 20 shows over the summer/fall and they'd have to report to government each time animals leaves their premises. It's unrealistic, it takes away privacy and as far as I'm concerned the pursuit of happiness. How happy are you really going to be going to a show when you have to spend a week before reporting what you're going to do to the government. Is the government going to send people to individual shows, and auctions to make sure the animals have been reported??

For those who think this is isn't happening...wake up and realize that Big Brother iswatching you, and you're paying for it.
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml


Bird flu is bull cookies, so is mad cow. If people paid more attention, they'd realize that the places where bird flu outbreak took place are poor countries without access to good health care and apparently poor sanitation. Mad cow takes place when you feed cows to cows. Duh...new rule...don't feed cows to cows!!!

And I'm actually not sorry for the rant. I believe in a private America, we are a Democratic country, NOT a Communist one. I shouldn't and won't report my animals to the government!