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NAIS is being added to section 121 of the 2007 farm bill. The vote will be on July 12, 2007. It is to be added to the COOL implementation. COOL is Country of Origin Labeling for meat, poultry, fish..& I can't remember what else right now.

COOL is OK in my opinion, but NAIS should not be added to it.
We have been fighting mandatory NAIS for over a year now. They can't pass it on it's own, so they are attaching it to a something that the people want, & hiding it. I can't even find the actual proposal, only a mention of it. There is a law in effect right now that states that USDA can't make NAIS mandatory in order to implement COOL. It needs to stay that way.

NAIS will put a lot of small farms out of business. Who can afford to tag baby chicks & sell them? If I tag a chick, & it costs anywhere from $2.00 to $3.00 for each chick, & I get $2.00 a chick for them, I've just gone in the hole.

They do not even have a price for this yet. They want to pass this & then figure out the expense to farmers. Right now, they will only tell me that the tagging will be anywhere from $2.00 - $30.00 per animal.

There are RDF scanners for sale right now, & they are $300.00 - $500.00. Then you have to buy the tags for each type of animal you have on top of that. Then you will have to have a computer, Internet, & have to keep records of movement of each animal.

This will not protect anyone from diseases. How will tagging your chickens stop disease?

If you are already following the current guidelines for chickens, for example, you have to have them pullorum/typhoid tested, keep records of what breed, sex, number sold, & to whom sold for 2 years. You also have to have your premise inspected, pay a fee for a certificate (amount of fee depends on how many chickens you own, up to $700.00 depending on what you do with your chickens) if you want to sell them at a sale or a swap meet.

This is just for chickens, there is the same type of stuff pertaining to sheep & goats. We have so many ID numbers right now, it takes a 3 ring binder for every species of animal we have now to keep every thing straight.

The "big" farms get to use 1 ID tag for an entire house of chickens (10,000 or more). I would have to buy a tag for each chicken I own since I sell to backyard chicken owners.
Last year I hatched & sold over 3000 chicks. Even at $2.00 a bird, this would have cost me over $6000.00. And if a tag is lost, I have to pay for a replacement tag, then have to delete the old tag, give a reason for needing a new tag, register the new tag, if they believe me...if they don't, I will be quarantined until the gov. does an inspection.

There is a proposal of fines of $1000.00 a day for non-compliance of NAIS.

This is a money making deal for the government, they already put out the amount of money they expect to make on premise ID alone. I don't have that in front of me at the moment, but it was in the billions of dollars by 2009. If this was to protect us, why would it profitable?

I don't mean to start a big discussion about this, but it is infringing on our civil rights. Please contact your state reps to let them know to strip section 121 from the new farm bill.
After the vote on July 12, we won't have say on it anymore if it passes.

Jean
 
I haven't been able to find anything saying the House or Senate will be voting on the 2007 Farm Bill July 12th. The House Committee on Agriculture will be doing the final work up of the Farm Bill on July 10-12, so I assume the July 12th vote will be taken in the House Committee on Agriculture. There would be additional votes, but making changes becomes more difficult.

The draft provisions of the 2007 Farm Bill do not make NAIS (national animal identification system) mandatory, the bill simply repeals a prohibition on a mandatory identification system for country of origin labeling. Based on what I've read, the USDA would then be free to impose mandatory animal registration nationally.

Below, I've got some pro and con websites, plus text from the 2007 Farm Bill.

An interesting article on a Pennsylvania duck farm wanting out of NAIS requirements:
http://www.lancasterfarming.com/node/676

Welcome to NAIS
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml

NAIS frequently asked questions
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/faq/faq.shtml#Q17

http://nonais.org/

July 6, 2007
Chairman’s Markup of Farm Bill 2007
Alert - National, News — walterj 9:28 pm

News from the House Agriculture Committee

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Friday, July 6, 2007

Media Contacts:
April Demert Slayton (202) 225-6872
Scott Kuschmider (202) 225-1496

*Publication Notice*
Chairman’s Markup Documents for the 2007 Farm Bill

The Chairman’s Markup documents for the 2007 Farm Bill were released today. They are available online at: link.

The documents have been prepared in anticipation of the business meeting that will be held by the House Agriculture Committee starting on July 17 to consider the 2007 Farm Bill. These documents are intended for use as base text for the markup process and are subject to change prior to the relevant meeting.


http://agriculture.house.gov/inside/Legislation/110/LDP_Secbysec.pdf

Subtitle B – Miscellaneous Provisions
SEC. 121. REPEAL OF PROHIBITION ON MANDATORY IDENTIFICATION SYSTEM FOR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN LABELING.
• The Secretary may use already existing certification systems as a


http://agriculture.house.gov/inside/Legislation/110/LDP.pdf


May 23, 2007 (1:34 p.m.)
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1 Subtitle B—Miscellaneous
2 Provisions
3 SEC. 121. REPEAL OF PROHIBITION ON MANDATORY IDEN
4 TIFICATION SYSTEM FOR COUNTRY OF ORI
5 GIN LABELING.
6 Section 282(f) of the Agricultural Marketing Act of
7 1946 (7 U.S.C. 1638a(f)) is amended by striking ‘‘CER
8 TIFICATION OF ORIGIN.—’’ and all that follows through
9 ‘‘(2) EXISTING CERTIFICATION PROGRAMS.—To certify’’
10 and inserting ‘‘CERTIFICATION OF ORIGIN.—To certify’’.
 
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Amen Angie in Main. Totally agree that the gov. needs to stay out of our bussiness. Our minister went over to where a lot of this bird flu crap took place. No wonder they are getting sick from their birds. To the people over there they will eat anything!! If they walk out one day and find a dead chicken rotting away they grab it up and call it dinner. Also thesecountries have poor sanitation and diseases are just waiting to pop up and kill unsupecting hosts. It seems to go in trends, first mad cow disease and now bird flu. who knows next year they will be screaming pork fever. And in reality the gov. is trying to sqeeze a extra buck out of hard work little guys.
 
The House Committee on Agriculture has delayed consideration of the Farm Bill yet again,
until July 17-19. So if you haven’t called them yet, you still have time! And if you have
called, feel free to call again!!

Chairman Peterson has released a new Chairman’s Mark for Full Committee Consideration. http://agriculture.house.gov/inside/2007FarmBill.html. The section linking NAIS to COOL has
been re-numbered as Section 11101. Like the previous Section 121, Section 11101 would
allow the USDA to use a mandatory animal identification system in order to implement
Country of Origin Labeling (COOL). This would open the door for the USDA to link the
National Animal ID System (NAIS) to COOL, forcing small farms out of business and harming
our local food supply. Read more about NAIS and COOL at http://www.libertyark.net/articles/givens-040907.html


This would enable the government to implement NAIS at their will. They have not done complete cost studies on NAIS. They do not know what the cost to the small farmer will be. I was told it would probably be from $2.00 - $30.00 per animal. They do not know yet until the program is implemented. We can't let the government pass a law that is so vague & up to bureaucrats to decide the small farmers fate in the future.
Please contact your representatives & tell them to vote NO.

Jean
 
The health consequences of swallowing a microchip are on par with worrying about the risk of infection from a firing squad

The "Premise Registration" which most states are trying to foist off as voluntary - legally gives the state an easement onto your property for purposes of "compliance inspection" Simply refuse to cooperate.

How will it be enforced? Too many "watchers" to hire? There is already an agency in place to do this it's called the NASS- you see the reports of so many acres of wheat or corn- how it's growing- they have field agents that show up and measure it-

How can they do that??? The farms they visit have accepted federal money from some program or another. The farmers have been bribed then hooked-
Our federal agencies operate like the Mafia- they "help you out" you owe them from then on-


Your local vet will be required to report any unregistered animals- Not treat any unregistered animals - microchipped-
You'll not be able to show your animals- unless chipped-
No sale barn will accept them unless chipped...

This is basically a move for agri-biz to control farm prices- They will have access to the registry- (yeah they say they won't - but it will be a "privately owned" database- a private company wouldn't sell your information would it?
They know what's in the pipeline- and can manipulate the prices.

How about- "Bird Flu Resistant" lines of GM poultry- When the "Health Inspectors" show up and demand your flocks be destroyed because they may pose a danger to "Bio Security" but you can still raise chickens provided you buy them from Monsanto... What are you going to do?

This NAIS "scare" is being fed to us in as a classic Hegelian Dialectic-

Let's have a problem- Animal diseases- Bio Terror- Death - Starvation

The "Answer" - Stalinist registration of all farm animals- visions of jackbooted thugs demanding to see your papers- oops that's the airport... Neighbors getting monetary rewards for reporting unpatriotic non-compliance...

The next answer will be a more "reasonable" approach. Just register the "medium sized farms" - leave the "little guys" out of the mix- and forget horses and llamas and pot bellied pigs they're "pets" and people will breathe a sigh of relief -and pat themselves on the back at beating Big Brother- Because the new laws didn't apply to them.

If you don't think it could happen... stop grazing for a moment- turn off the television for a week - and start thinking-
Why do you have to submit to a strip search to get on an airplane- But our southern borders are wide open?
Why are there laws making it illegal to video tape police?
Why are there fenced "Free Speech Zones" ?

Just refuse to cooperate
Refuse to participate
 
Looks like folks have looked up and posted a lot of information on this farm bill. Thanks for doing that. I think it is something that we all need to be aware of, and that is why I did the original posting. Thanks all for adding info.

I keep looking for usbr to once again write:
"This thread started talking about a mandated tagging/chipping of all chickens (all animals). That was not true, never was. "
As he didn't like the organization that e-mailed me the original info... Oh well, somepeople have their minds made up before you say hello.
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silkiepjsg, I dont need to say it again, those that have researched it, know that the origional email you posted was propaganda. Its also true that the conversation did switch from one thing to another (creative quoting you did there, I like it). If you are refering to me having my mind made up before "hello", you couldnt be more wrong. I have reasearched and followed animal ID and premises registration for several years now and dispite what many say, the sky is not falling... The facts are out there for those that want to see them, for the others, you can always forward emails...

HTH
 
usbr

I am a little confused about your comment about the original post being propaganda. You & I may have interpreted it differently, but I took the original post as a notice about NAIS being implemented into the 2007 farm bill. Since NAIS is in the new farm bill, I don't understand why you say it is propaganda.

I don't know what you understood it to say.

From your posts, I take it that you support NAIS.
If you do, please tell me how you think this will stop the spread of disease in animals. I would like someone other than the governments ideas on this.

Jean
 
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usbr I would like to ask which one of us think the sky is falling? And there is several people who posted the facts for all of us to look at them. If these posts are wrong then I wish you would show the proof you have that shows this is a false issue. I have heard of the NIAS at a 4-H meat quality assurance meeting this spring. And Incase you didnt know 4-H is a club that has been made and is sponsered by The department of agriculture. And the meeting was led by a employee of theirs,I have a very hard time thinking that they were telling us fictional stories. And I am more than happy to get emails from anyone who is trying to get the news out about anything that could possible make or break my little farm of chickens. So please show me the evidence that says differently. We will all be more than happy to take the time and read throughly. I think it would be good for us all to read all the sources that you have been studing so hard on.
 
USBR,
I am unsure on how I "creatively" quoted you. If you think I shouldn't have left on the first sentence, I could add it back on: as I wouldn't want to give the impression that I was twisting what it was you said.
"*****This thread started talking about a mandated tagging/chipping of all chickens (all animals). That was not true, never was. "

The fact is, you've made that sort of remark several times, calling everything propaganda, yet without any kind of web site or evidence of any-kind.

**************You seem to be a bit more unreliable in evidence than others that have posted here.**********

This is why I made the remark that your mind was made up before any kind of words were exchanged. I too, like 7 Paint Horses am more than willing to see what you've got, but am tired of the cry "propaganda." You appear as if you are more than willing to name call rather than helping us understand your position.

You seem to be reactionary, not giving any sort of supporting data. (WHERE ARE your facts that are "out there?" You don't appear to have as clear thoughts as others who have posted here. If you have information, give it to us! Show us how what we are reading could be interpreted another way.

I myself don't care, I am way above being insulted just because you say I am spreading propaganda. I actually find it funny, that is why I was waiting for you to post again. I DO however, feel that it takes away from people trying to find out what is going on with this bill. I myself did not know, and thus wanted input from others. I have enjoyed all posts, especially some of the longer ones, as I have learned from different peoples experiences and ideas. Well, I should say I enjoyed all, including yours, until you ended up "empty" with nothing to back what you were saying. I really did NOT want to hear you just call out "propaganda" one more time.

So as a suggestion, maybe next time you want to get your point taken, you could cut down on the name calling and take a bit longer to explain your point, giving references would help too.
 
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