Post Phoenix Pics Please

[jacobybennett1]

San diego zoo JF X Golden phoenix project....has anyone heard of such a creature?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

quite a few actually. I have a few here, but a buddy of mine in north GA has crossed jungle fowl to about everything including long tails. They make beautiful birds, especially the duckwing hens, they get such a great pattern on them due to the JF influences. Should make you some pretty birds once they are grown

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

What are Cy's whites again? One of my white bantam cockerels has some gold saddles (Would this be termed "Gold leakage"?), does that mean he would be recessive white covering golden or BB red?

And is it possible for a bird to be recessive white covering golden/gold-duckwing? Because isn't golden-duckwing a combination of BB red and Silver? I apologize that I don't know anything of genetics. I hope my questions make sense.

the bantams I have from him are cream pyles on silver duckwing. Yes rec white can cover anything. It's not a true color but a "mask" that hides the true color, literally any color in the world could be under it. Most common in phoenix is silver duckwing, but yes could be any of them.
yes silver x red makes gold in any pattern duckwing, birchen, quail, any of them.

yes the yellow could be leakage if it's over a golden and recessive white. If it's the same line I have, then it's a cream feather that would of been red on a normal bird coming threw. Say it was a silver duckwing like mine and had a red feather. Cream would turn that feather yellowish, and being plye , the dominate white gene would of turned the black white, thus an all white bird with a golden yellow feather.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

I'm so jealous of everyone. I can't keep my Roos feathers white. He is a silver Phoenix but he looks like a golden Phoenix. It's because he eats corn. Even my hens' neck feathers are turning yellow.

corn shouldnt do that, mine get corn this time of year too, plus the bagged feed is mostly corn, bet you have a golden duckwing. They look like a dirty silver. The hackles and saddles have a yellowish ting to them, and usually a little red in the wing bow area. got a good pic of them?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Here is a pair of young Ismer Cockerels from mid 2012 hatch

good looking pair of boys Travis, need to get some new pics of mine. I like the comb on the back bird best. Nice and small and saw tooth looking, makes you know you are looking at an Ismer

 

[Phoenix Farms]

Yeah he looks like that. My hens are defiantly silver though. When I first bought him his feathers were white but as he grew they turned yellow. His new ones growing in are white also. I hatched a baby from him and he turned out to be a roo. He has the red on his wings and his saddle feathers are just now starting to turn yellow but his neck and head feathers are white. I doubt it's from dust because our pure white birds stay perfectly white. I will try to find a picture.

 

[Phoenix Farms]

These are the best I could find.

 

[jacobybennett1]

thank you for the good info..i was watching a few pwoples videos and came across a 93cm. malay, or maybe a shamo...wow ...how in the world do you make a 3 ft tall breed, are they using steroids ...errr i know they are a slow growing breed but three feet tall...amazing...

 

[extraordinaryfowl]

the bantams I have from him are cream pyles on silver duckwing. Yes rec white can cover anything. It's not a true color but a "mask" that hides the true color, literally any color in the world could be under it. Most common in phoenix is silver duckwing, but yes could be any of them.
yes silver x red makes gold in any pattern duckwing, birchen, quail, any of them.

yes the yellow could be leakage if it's over a golden and recessive white. If it's the same line I have, then it's a cream feather that would of been red on a normal bird coming threw. Say it was a silver duckwing like mine and had a red feather. Cream would turn that feather yellowish, and being plye , the dominate white gene would of turned the black white, thus an all white bird with a golden yellow feather.

Thanks, I am starting to understand.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

These are the best I could find.

I'd have to say he's a gold for sure, especially if he has sons like that and with red in the bow area. The girls on that particular type of gold look exactly like a silver anyway, virtually no difference. well I guess techinaclly they are silver, it's supposed to be impossible to get a gold hen on that type of gold duckwing. Pretty much it's a male color. Now if he starts white and turns yellow , it could be the sun if he's allowed to be outside a lot. On a lot of white feathering it can turn it yellow over time before he molts out again, but by producing sons like you discribed, I'm still sticking with the light version of a gold duckwing