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Well said. Thanks Aubrey, I totally agree.
Well said. Thanks Aubrey, I totally agree.
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looks like a bb red and a silver duckwing hen from what I ca tell.
The silvers and gold duckwing hens look VERY VERY similar. Some golds do come out like yellow hackled bb red hens, Toni-Marie has a few pictured on her website like that. But being hatchery stock, pretty sure it's a bb red hen up front and a silver in back. It's harder to be for sure on the silver without seeing the whole bird out from under the shelter.
Dont look horrible for hatchery birds though, not bad!
Here are a few pictures of the silvers or golden duckwing. Or whatever they are! They appear to be exactly the same color. Is it "ok" if a phoenix hen has a flop-over comb?
Hen 1: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/64761_imgp0063-1.jpg
Hen 1:https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/64761_imgp0075-1.jpg
Hen 2:https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/64761_imgp0085-1.jpg
yep those are silvers best I can tell, the golds usually have a little different looking back, but they are still tricky to tell at times.
No the combs should be erect, especially on hens. The one in the first 2 pics almost looks like a mix between a rose comb and a single comb, may just be the pic or a comb over, LOL
looks like a bb red and a silver duckwing hen from what I ca tell.
The silvers and gold duckwing hens look VERY VERY similar. Some golds do come out like yellow hackled bb red hens, Toni-Marie has a few pictured on her website like that. But being hatchery stock, pretty sure it's a bb red hen up front and a silver in back. It's harder to be for sure on the silver without seeing the whole bird out from under the shelter.
Dont look horrible for hatchery birds though, not bad!
Here are a few pictures of the silvers or golden duckwing. Or whatever they are! They appear to be exactly the same color. Is it "ok" if a phoenix hen has a flop-over comb?
Hen 1: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/64761_imgp0063-1.jpg
Hen 1:https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/64761_imgp0075-1.jpg
Hen 2:https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/64761_imgp0085-1.jpg
yep those are silvers best I can tell, the golds usually have a little different looking back, but they are still tricky to tell at times.
No the combs should be erect, especially on hens. The one in the first 2 pics almost looks like a mix between a rose comb and a single comb, may just be the pic or a comb over, LOL
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I'm sure she is.
And yes, I have a lot of Toni's large fowl black birds, as well as bantams I got from Cy and bred to Toni-Maries to clean up some color in the male I got from Cy.
well here is a nice reading on how he created them.. using the wayback machine(2006)
http://web.archive.org/web/20060721092611/http://www.panopliageneticus.com/toniblack.html
That's a nice read. I have never seen the "wayback machine"
Toni-Marie is a she , just a little FYI though.
She got those birds from Marc King in Italy in 2002 , and like it said did a ton of work with them. She is a true genetics pro when it comes to this stuff. The Large Fowl blacks I have currently are those Schubert / Kurokashwa blends from Marc that they were talking about in that article. Yes like it says, most of the hens are black faced too, most are spurred, and a few are cockerel feathered too. Like it also says, they do tend to throw a few red tinted males, but all the pullets so far have been solid black. They are slow to feather, but end up very nice, and having the kurokashwa in them, the roosters are also long crowers to a degree, 8-12 seconds so far on mine.
She also has some now with the fibro melanistic genes, basically black skin and faces. Pretty sure from that work with the sumatras ( or possibly the ayam cemani's she has), but she'd have to answer that to be certain on how she adapted it into the phoenix line. She also has the Ismer and pure Schubert lines, as well as blend of the two.
I'm sure she is.
And yes, I have a lot of Toni's large fowl black birds, as well as bantams I got from Cy and bred to Toni-Maries to clean up some color in the male I got from Cy.
well here is a nice reading on how he created them.. using the wayback machine(2006)
http://web.archive.org/web/20060721092611/http://www.panopliageneticus.com/toniblack.html
That's a nice read. I have never seen the "wayback machine"
Toni-Marie is a she , just a little FYI though.
She got those birds from Marc King in Italy in 2002 , and like it said did a ton of work with them. She is a true genetics pro when it comes to this stuff. The Large Fowl blacks I have currently are those Schubert / Kurokashwa blends from Marc that they were talking about in that article. Yes like it says, most of the hens are black faced too, most are spurred, and a few are cockerel feathered too. Like it also says, they do tend to throw a few red tinted males, but all the pullets so far have been solid black. They are slow to feather, but end up very nice, and having the kurokashwa in them, the roosters are also long crowers to a degree, 8-12 seconds so far on mine.
She also has some now with the fibro melanistic genes, basically black skin and faces. Pretty sure from that work with the sumatras ( or possibly the ayam cemani's she has), but she'd have to answer that to be certain on how she adapted it into the phoenix line. She also has the Ismer and pure Schubert lines, as well as blend of the two.
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beautiful Birchen there!
beautiful Birchen there!
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beautiful Birchen there!
yes, nice breast birchen lacing..
beautiful Birchen there!
yes, nice breast birchen lacing..
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beautiful Birchen there!
yes, nice breast birchen lacing..
Thank you! I got him from my friend who hatched him and his brother Phil.
beautiful Birchen there!
yes, nice breast birchen lacing..
Thank you! I got him from my friend who hatched him and his brother Phil.
he looks bantam, is he?
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Yes he is a bantam.
Yes he is a bantam.
Absolutely BEAUTIFUL Birds !!!!
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