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[justuschickens59]

Some breeders choosing to not join BYC have bought birds from famous lines and improved them. I have found that namedroppers are more exclusive to BYC than other forums especially the word "English" which is the grandaddy of all names thrown about. They are no better than American lines but only different and some English lines are imported from U.S. lines and used for improving English lines or so I am told which really throws a wrench in the works.

I have seen great birds from local breeders that have never heard of BYC. and some breeders that say they will not discuss birds here.

JMO, but identifying one's Orpingtons as "English" is not the same as namedropping. When I say my birds are "English," I am identifying that my Orpingtons came from the UK and are bred to the British SOP and not to the American SOP. Namedropping is when somebody claims their birds are from "John Doe's" lines.

I do agree that the English lines are not "better" than the American lines, and vice versa. They are simply bred to different SOPs. Some prefer English - some prefer American.

There are MANY reputable breeders who are not a member of BYC and never will be.

My advice is that if someone is really interested in Orpingtons, either American or English, is that they join the UOC - the UOC embraces ALL standards of Orpingtons - English, American, and even hatchery birds.

 

[jeremy]

Good to see you're back too Joy.

Kelly G, if you're really interested in some English Orps send me a PM and I can help you get some. Once you have these birds you will fall in love with them and won't want anything else!

 

[chickened]

I would agree. I only namedrop when someone asks what my lines are and usually I let the product sell itself. You must admit the word "English" is tossed about a bit.

JMO, but identifying one's Orpingtons as "English" is not the same as namedropping. When I say my birds are "English," I am identifying that my Orpingtons came from the UK and are bred to the British SOP and not to the American SOP. Namedropping is when somebody claims their birds are from "John Doe's" lines.

I do agree that the English lines are not "better" than the American lines, and vice versa. They are simply bred to different SOPs. Some prefer English - some prefer American.

There are MANY reputable breeders who are not a member of BYC and never will be.

My advice is that if someone is really interested in Orpingtons, either American or English, is that they join the UOC - the UOC embraces ALL standards of Orpingtons - English, American, and even hatchery birds.

 

[lildinkem]

I remember I posted the term of "name dropper" on a Poultry Site that catters to the Exhibition breeder and those folks could not understand what the big deal is? ONLY on BYC you see folks calling others "Name Dropper". Many here would like to know who and where to go to get QUALITY Orpingtons from. When someone mentions the bloodlines it is in respect to the breeder who made effort to create and maintain a worthy bloodline of a given breed.
HOWEVER, when a breeder is obviously using some great breeder's name to better promote his or her line's worth, that is not good when that breeder is obviously misleading.

 

[Wynette]

I do agree that the English lines are not "better" than the American lines, and vice versa. They are simply bred to different SOPs. Some prefer English - some prefer American.

I agree, 100%!!!

 

[justuschickens59]

I would agree. I only namedrop when someone asks what my lines are and usually I let the product sell itself. You must admit the word "English" is tossed about a bit.

I don't think the word "English" is simply "tossed about." As I stated previously, the word "English," in reference to Orpingtons, is to actually identify what SOP birds are bred to. There is a huge difference between the British SOP and the American SOP. As my birds are directly imported from the UK and bred to the British SOP. I personally don't see a problem with anybody specifically identifying their birds as to what SOP they are bred to. If somebody asks me what breeder my birds are specifically from, I have no problem telling them that they are directly from "Jane Doe, " because they ARE DIRECTLY from "Jane Doe;" not from "Jane Doe" via "John Smith" via "Tom Jones" via "Dick Johnson" via who know how many other breeders before I get them.

 

[chickened]

Go to EBAY sometime it is used like candy and when you press the sellers you find that thier birds are many generation removed from pure english stock and the birds are obviously not british sop but yet "english" is typed in there. Do british breeders not have a name to thier lines like american? or do all british birds automatically meet thier standard?

I don't think the word "English" is simply "tossed about." As I stated previously, the word "English," in reference to Orpingtons, is to actually identify what SOP birds are bred to. There is a huge difference between the British SOP and the American SOP. As my birds are directly imported from the UK and bred to the British SOP. I personally don't see a problem with anybody specifically identifying their birds as to what SOP they are bred to. If somebody asks me what breeder my birds are specifically from, I have no problem telling them that they are directly from "Jane Doe, " because they ARE DIRECTLY from "Jane Doe;" not from "Jane Doe" via "John Smith" via "Tom Jones" via "Dick Johnson" via who know how many other breeders before I get them.

 

[Goose and Fig]

I remember I posted the term of "name dropper" on a Poultry Site that catters to the Exhibition breeder and those folks could not understand what the big deal is? ONLY on BYC you see folks calling others "Name Dropper". Many here would like to know who and where to go to get QUALITY Orpingtons from. When someone mentions the bloodlines it is in respect to the breeder who made effort to create and maintain a worthy bloodline of a given breed.

I agree, Bill. I had to unsubscribe from this thread because I was getting a little annoyed. Most folks here are not "all about exhibition". The orpingtons are an incredibly popluar breed for many reasons. I never got them with the intent to show. When I was selling some from a certain breeders eggs directly, I named him to give him credit and to inform buyers. Not so I could mark up the prices and make people feel that thier birds were inferior. I was even told that I was listing them too cheaply.

But then when you get into other breeds- ameraucanas for example- where there aren't many bloodlines...its necessary to seek out unrelated stock for continual improvements. We actually look for certain names known for certain traits. I thought I finally had a closed flock of wheatens, but turns out my production was just too low, so now I am once again adding new blood.

 

[galanie]

I was unaware that "English" was used so extensively on eBay. We have been discussing how it's used mainly here, I think. Every time I've seen it used here, the birds were legit English SOP type. Then again, I rarely go to eBay. I just plain don't trust it as a source for most things, especially eggs, unless I know for sure who that is I'm buying from.

 

[justuschickens59]

Go to EBAY sometime it is used like candy and when you press the sellers you find that thier birds are many generation removed from pure english stock and the birds are obviously not british sop but yet "english" is typed in there. Do british breeders not have a name to thier lines like american? or do all british birds automatically meet thier standard?

I can't speak for other breeders and why they use the term "English." I can only be responsible for what I say about MY birds. My birds are directly imported from a reputable breeder in the UK and are bred to the British SOP, therefore, I have absolutely no problem stating that my birds are of English stock - I have the paperwork to back it up. I also can't speak for the breeders that claim their birds are directly from a particular breeder's line when they absolutely are not. I personally would never buy any birds/eggs off E-Bay...I've seen way too many blatantly false claims and people using pictures that clearly are not their birds. I've also seen that here on BYC.

As far as your question about British breeders, I'm not quite sure what you are asking. I would suggest you directly e-mail some of the breeders in the UK. I find them to be very helpful and more than willing to share their knowledge. There are also several European forum boards that have some excellent information and good breeders that are willing to impart their knowledge. Also, there are also a couple of very reputable breeders from the UK that post on the Imported English Orpington thread. Maybe you could post your question there, or PM them directly to ask your questions.