Post Pics Of Orps/ Orpingtons HERE

[deek]

Post pics of your orps so everyone can see here

(and please no fighting) Also I recommend that you join the oldest, and only Orpington Club not trying to change the American Standard of Perfection. The United Orpington Club

Heres Mine




Again Please NO FIGHTING

This is from page one of the thread. The introduction, if you will, of the tone and objective of the thread.

 

[DaveK]

The white Orps presented by Jim Hall; I do see the white legs but also a hint of brassiness in the male along with what has to be enhanced headgear color. That be a very vivid red LOL. Typewise they seem quite short with short backs, very short underlines and breasts carried up high which all lends to a rather V shaped or dumpy profile. I hate to seem critical of anyone's interest and enthusiasm where white Orps are concerned. They need a lot of both and some good breeding. It's just that if we are here to discuss and learn I myself am not seeing consistent type amongst the various colors and strains bred to the APA SOP. Bill and Vickie have both shown us some buffs that while very young give me the idea that they will be good Orpington type according to my own maybe old fashioned understanding. They look to have potential. I am not seeing the realization of that type in these rather different looking whites. What say any of the rest of you?

 

[lildinkem]

The white Orps presented by Jim Hall; I do see the white legs but also a hint of brassiness in the male along with what has to be enhanced headgear color. That be a very vivid red LOL. Typewise they seem quite short with short backs, very short underlines and breasts carried up high which all lends to a rather V shaped or dumpy profile. I hate to seem critical of anyone's interest and enthusiasm where white Orps are concerned. They need a lot of both and some good breeding. It's just that if we are here to discuss and learn I myself am not seeing consistent type amongst the various colors and strains bred to the APA SOP. Bill and Vickie have both shown us some buffs that while very young give me the idea that they will be good Orpington type according to my own maybe old fashioned understanding. They look to have potential. I am not seeing the realization of that type in these rather different looking whites. What say any of the rest of you?

IF I may quote the opening scene in Animal House on the Statue of the founder of Faber College

"KNOWLEDGE IS GOOD"

 

[aveca]

what say i? i see a lot of white orps that at first glance appear to be plymoth rock, feathers probably a little tight for being orp.., some with wyanndote head...and some at shows that have a little more than brassiness.. almost way too much cream ...so its all a work in progress. the perfect chicken hasnt been hatched yet..so until then, i think we can all relax.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

what say i? i see a lot of white orps that at first glance appear to be plymoth rock, feathers probably a little tight for being orp.., some with wyanndote head...and some at shows that have a little more than brassiness.. almost way too much cream ...so its all a work in progress. the perfect chicken hasnt been hatched yet..so until then, i think we can all relax.

There was only one White Orpington, a hen, at Crossroads Joint National. It was much smaller than the Buffs, Blacks and Blues. This photo was posted last fall on BYC.

As for some appearing to resemble Rocks and Wyandottes, when you use these breeds to "improve" the Orpingtons, some of their qualities and traits will remain.

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[deek]

There was only one White Orpington, a hen, at Crossroads Joint National. It was much smaller than the Buffs, Blacks and Blues. This photo was posted last fall on BYC.

As for some appearing to resemble Rocks and Wyandottes, when you use these breeds to "improve" the Orpingtons, some of their qualities and traits will remain.

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Just curious HallFamilyFarm, are there some traits more dominant and difficult to eliminate? (yellow feet, feathered feet/shanks...) How long do some of these continue to show up in one's lines?

 

[pips&peeps]

The white shown above was a bit smaller than the other birds in the show at Indy. She was in total molt at the show as is shown by the feathers you can see dropped in the cage. The bird was taken to the show to have a representation of what the white orpington is.

She is one of the foundation hens my business partner started with about five years ago. This bird is out of Catalpa lines (not pure) - you know Gayle Pontious. There is no rock or wyandotte in her background.

As for birds being pure Cecil Moore lines, there are very few left around. Once you breed the birds that were purchased from Superior Farms, (Superior Farms lines) who bought Moore lines about twenty years ago, they are your line.

Danny Padgett did not get Cecil Moore birds in 2006. Marie Moore verified the last sale to Superior Farms/Danny was about 20 years ago. The most current sale was to my business partner of black orpingtons.

Marie Moore still has their flock of blacks and blues. Steve Jones has taken over the flock of whites that were bred to my business partner's white lines recently.

My point with the above is, that once someone starts breeding someone else's lines, they become theirs. The may have originated from somewhere, but they are not neccessarily the birds the original breeder would have continued on with. I think it is wrong to sell birds touting a well known breeders name for sales. I believe you can tell people that your birds originally started somewhere, but again, once you breed them, they are your line.

A good source to get more information about the breed and how to breed for certain characteristics is the United Orpington Club. I am a member of the UOC and they are a good group of new and old breeders to learn from.

 

[aveca]

i was reading one of those old books the standard bred orpington.. they were talking about silver dorking is part of the foundation breeds .they wanted the brightest possible white so used silver dorking ..they look for silver white feather shaft when judging, my nephew said they have been known to pluck a feather or 2 and inspect the tip out in the light in bigger english class..in fact one of the founding breeders said it took them over 5 years to breed out the 5th toe of the silver dorking....correctly done they used black orpington to correct issues but i had to work so did not get to finish their whys other than adding some depth and feather width, there were other reasons as well.crazy work scedule doesnt allow too much room for enjoyment, thou there hasnt been much enjoyment latley either...i beleive the dorking is where the white orpington got its eye color....so when they bred into blk orps, they didnt dwell on it too long, maybe a season.i should copy a couple of those pages ..it did make absolutly clear they did not advocate for a long back on orps as william cook wanted a shorter back on his birds..that would be a good page to copy for discussion , it appears by the one post that there has been quite a long history of fighting in here...

 

[aveca]

i read that a twinge of yellow cropping up in the beak isnt uncommon,,its a throwback to the dorking , that bird can be bred back with stronger white..beak color if its a high quality bird..but im a newbi to them too, love to read and learn about them..there are a lot of old books from the early foundation breeders when i get laptop back i will post a few pages...the legs are pink, white and lot of the babies have a light bluish slate..some pinkish white..............yellow in the legs is not white orp..

Just curious HallFamilyFarm, are there some traits more dominant and difficult to eliminate? (yellow feet, feathered feet/shanks...) How long do some of these continue to show up in one's lines?

 

[aveca]

I am sorry for your loss. His legacy continues in these beautiful babies.

sorry to hear about your sampson..