Post pictures of peafowl!

[Kev]

Quote:
Hey.. this one looks Midnight colored. Does he have the same color as your three year old?

It's not a white eyed thing for sure. My first thought was he may have the 'turning white', either partial as in some bronzes(including the original) or the version I've seen twice, the bird gradually molts out more white until he is white all over except for the head. That one doesn't seem associated with a color or pattern, one was a India Blue.. unfortunately can't remember what the other one was.. possibly a pied? BTW those birds looked absolutely cool..

 

[deerman]

Same bronze peacock as a yearling, just started getting the white feathers.....

 

[Kev]

Quote:
Doug,

What do you mean by some that are dark and some are lighter.. is it no blue vs. shows blue or..? What did the original look like in person- did he have blue in his neck?

Is the bird in the pictures I posted a midnight or something different? He looks pretty different from BBB's midnight. This bird never shows any blue.. and the 6 friend is keeping also look the same to each other, there's no lighter or darker between those- they are all "one color/same color". Some of their blue necked siblings did look "dark necked" similar to BBB's. (at this point we are assuming the parents are midnight splits)

I suppose the bottom line I am curious about.. what is the difference between the bird I posted pictures of and birds like BBB's?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Just curious here now Kev, not picking, but look at Kat's on top of page 6.
Mine is 100% identical to her's and she also has it listed as a midnight black shoulder, but no comments on it?
Also the color of the speckeled white one in question, he's not in the direct sun, mine looks that same color when not in the sun as that one,Again, just curious here....

 

[peachick]

I think the color difference is really more a lighting thing than anything else. The camera picks up lighting different sometimes and the iridescence in the feathers changes things depending on the angle, sunlight, and weather.
I also think some birds are just slightly darker than others. My younger midnight with the white feathers does seem a tad darker than his older brother... the father of both these males is a BS split to midnight that I bought from Rod Gross several years ago.... his male also came from Leggs, he was extremely dark.

My young one with the white feathers will be interesting to watch mature... thanks guys!

deerman, if my midnight boy colors out like your bronze it will be so cool

))

 

[Randee]

Hi my name is Gene. This is my first post to this forum. I have been following these posts and yes I am a friend of Kevins and those are my pictures. I have been breeding birds about 5 years. I bought the BS male and 2 bs hens very inexpensive as they were oringinaly purchased as midnights to the other guy. After I got the birds I took many many pictures, went on many websites, looked at everyone pictures and thought at that time this bird could possibly midnight. This trio I have is an extremely good breeding trio. But with no pictures for identification I always sold their babies as regular black shoulders. As Kevin said before I went to the ranch 1 year later to visit them and see the birds and that's when the pic you see is of that bird at different ages. There is a clearly a difference in color of our bird just like with the midnight posted that has all the white feathers. You have taken many pics of him in many different lights and his color doesn't change. I hate to say this everytime I see a midnight bird over 3 years old he looks either BS or bs split to midnight. I can not say for sure about a standard black shoulder as I do not own adults I have just a adult BS split to midnight. So are these all bad pics being posted or are these birds going to get bluer as they get older? And always photograph as BS splits? Like I said I am fairly new at this but everytime I take a pic of what I belive to be a BS split to midnight it matches everybodys midnights over 3 years old. I am not asking if my bird is a midnight but are all my real midnights going to get bluer with age because these photos being posted are very confusing. All the pics under 2 have little to no blue.

All the midnights here as yearlings and at my friends have no blue what-so-ever no matter how much sun or angle or anything. They do not resemble our BS split in any way. They are as different as my bronze or any other birds I have. There is absolutely no way you could confuse these birds. But I am having a really hard time with the pictures posted and not just these but ever since I got these birds. You would not put a picture of a bronze showing blue and call it a bronze. I totally believe all these pictures posted are of midnights and I believe the big dog breeders should either work together and come up with a better description or at least a couple good pictures. It is my belief that midnights are one color and that is the color that should be posted.

Hopefully I have not offended anybody but this is a problem for me. Thanks to the pics at Connerhills I can identify my chicks male 100% .

This is very confusing and the pics I look at don't add up.

Gene Nelson

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

my only problem with the split theroy is, splits dont show both colors. they are either one or the other and just are carriers of the other colors genes, but those genes are not shown , right? There can be color variations light to dark, but I have never seen or heard of a peabird show colors from 2 different colored birds....
I have to agree with peachick on this one, as that was my original thought too.

 

[Kev]

Quote:
No problem, I would like to know what is going on too. Realize I am not picking on you either. Nor am I saying anything about Sid or Legg (except for a quote from Legg's page on history of midnight)l. I realize they are very reputable names too. I am talking about the birds and the color only. When there is something I am seeing and not understanding, it bothers me and try my best to discover what is really going on. This is one of those things..

As for Kat's three year old, I talked to her privately and said to her I was seeing blue on him, got that mixed up with me saying that on here. That 3 year old does not look like Gene's birds to me. In above picture he does looks very dark in that picture. That is what I used to think a midnight looked like, until seeing Gene's birds- they look very different. It seems like you need to wait until yours is in shade or the neck is at right angle to get a darker looking color with less blue.. with Gene's bird you just walk right up to him and take pictures, and he never shows blue.

I understand thinking Gene's birds would show blue because yours and others do, but they just don't. The shine is similar to a bronze's. Bronze necks do not show blue, right? Let me put it another way, yours(and Kat's 3 year old) look 'blue tinted black' and Gene's birds are 'greyish tinted black'. That's what I'd like to know why, what is the difference.. I doubt it is a humidity or light issue because the color is very consistent on Gene's birds.

 

[Mrs. Fluffy Puffy]

I love the pics everyone!

 

[DMFarm]

Gene
When midnight are young they have a army green color as they mature they will get some blue coloring in them but they are still darker and a different color of blue than a regular blackshoulder. Gene when your birds get older he will look similar to BBB bird. A blackshoulder split to midnight will look just like a regular blackshoulder it will not be darker color a bird split to a color will not show the color it is split to. Kevin the different between the bird of BBB and the picture you posted is Gene bird is still young. Here is a picture of my midnight he is the same age as BBB bird you can see a blue tint in him that he didn't have when he was young same as my midnight silver pied male he has more blue tint than when he was younger but you can tell he is a lot darker than a regular blackshoulder. Hope this clears things up.
Doug