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Your hen doesn’t look barred to me. Besides, barred rock hen x unbarred rooster will always give you unbarred hens. I think the wyandotte was the mother. Though I supposed it’s also possible she had a commercial layer as a mother.

As for that other hen, wow, that autosomal red (and mahogany?) is amazing! She’s pure for sex linked silver (you can tell from the silver hackles), all the rest must be non-sex linked. Pretty cool!
So, a White Chantecler roo x Silver-Laced Wyandotte hen mix for Mouche? But then, where would the lack of weight come from? Her parents are big birds, and she's twice lighter than them.

I LOVE Carmen's plumage! I so wish I could recreate that, too. But what do you mean by she's pure for sex-linked silver? (Sorry I've been away for 4 years and am now rusty at plumage identification, so I'm struggling to follow your line of thought lol).
 
So, a White Chantecler roo x Silver-Laced Wyandotte hen mix for Mouche? But then, where would the lack of weight come from? Her parents are big birds, and she's twice lighter than them.

I LOVE Carmen's plumage! I so wish I could recreate that, too. But what do you mean by she's pure for sex-linked silver? (Sorry I've been away for 4 years and am now rusty at plumage identification, so I'm struggling to follow your line of thought lol).
I’m not sure about the weight, but rereading your post, she could definitely be a commercial layer mix, too, which tend to be lighter. I didn’t think barred rock was right because barred rocks are black under their barring, and solid black (aka “extended black”) tends to be very dominant in crosses.

Silver is one of the genes responsible for white coloring in chickens. The other genes (ignoring the things like mottling and barring, which create a specific pattern) are dominant white and recessive white. Recessive white makes a chicken solid white, so it couldn’t be that. Dominant white gets rid of most black markings, so it couldn’t be that either. However, normally female chickens don’t have both silver and gold because those genes are sex-linked, so hens can have one or the other, but not both. Which is why her red/gold color must come from something other than sex-linked gold; like autosomal (which means non-sex-linked) red and mahogany.

If you wanted to recreate that color, you would have to combine silver, autosomal red, and probably mahogany. Dominant white with sex-linked gold and mahogany has a similar effect (that’s what red sex-links usually have) but with a lot less patterning due to the lack of black.
 
I’m not sure about the weight, but rereading your post, she could definitely be a commercial layer mix, too, which tend to be lighter. I didn’t think barred rock was right because barred rocks are black under their barring, and solid black (aka “extended black”) tends to be very dominant in crosses.

Silver is one of the genes responsible for white coloring in chickens. The other genes (ignoring the things like mottling and barring, which create a specific pattern) are dominant white and recessive white. Recessive white makes a chicken solid white, so it couldn’t be that. Dominant white gets rid of most black markings, so it couldn’t be that either. However, normally female chickens don’t have both silver and gold because those genes are sex-linked, so hens can have one or the other, but not both. Which is why her red/gold color must come from something other than sex-linked gold; like autosomal (which means non-sex-linked) red and mahogany.

If you wanted to recreate that color, you would have to combine silver, autosomal red, and probably mahogany. Dominant white with sex-linked gold and mahogany has a similar effect (that’s what red sex-links usually have) but with a lot less patterning due to the lack of black.
If we knew which commercial hens went with Mouche's father, it'd be easier to get an idea of her plumage inheritance lol.

So, to get Carmen again I'd need to go with a white roo over an autosomal mom, then breed the F1 chick (pullet or cockerel?) with a mahogany chicken? The Chantecler is already figured out, but which chicken breeds have the other two colors? And how to I make the neck patterns and black tail feathers carry over to her?

Buffy's coloration has been driving me nuts for years. My old notes say her parents were a Light Sussex roo over a Warren (red sex-link) hen, and since she lays beige eggs like her father I'm inclined to believe it. BUT I'm unable to explain how the gold tint and columbian markings carried over to her; as silver beats out red and gold genes, she should have inherited a white plumage. The thing is, the breeder who sold me the eggs told me the female chicks would be darker-downed than the male chicks. And that result only happens with a red roo over a white hen, and I've never seen black columbian markings in battery hens. So, what am I missing here to make things connect the right way? She's a hen I'd like to have again in my backyard, but for that I got to figure out her lineage. She's an F2 hen (the F1 being the Warren hen).

https://www.backyardchickens.com/attachments/img_1579-jpg.2542311/
 
If we knew which commercial hens went with Mouche's father, it'd be easier to get an idea of her plumage inheritance lol.

So, to get Carmen again I'd need to go with a white roo over an autosomal mom, then breed the F1 chick (pullet or cockerel?) with a mahogany chicken? The Chantecler is already figured out, but which chicken breeds have the other two colors? And how to I make the neck patterns and black tail feathers carry over to her?

Buffy's coloration has been driving me nuts for years. My old notes say her parents were a Light Sussex roo over a Warren (red sex-link) hen, and since she lays beige eggs like her father I'm inclined to believe it. BUT I'm unable to explain how the gold tint and columbian markings carried over to her; as silver beats out red and gold genes, she should have inherited a white plumage. The thing is, the breeder who sold me the eggs told me the female chicks would be darker-downed than the male chicks. And that result only happens with a red roo over a white hen, and I've never seen black columbian markings in battery hens. So, what am I missing here to make things connect the right way? She's a hen I'd like to have again in my backyard, but for that I got to figure out her lineage. She's an F2 hen (the F1 being the Warren hen).

https://www.backyardchickens.com/attachments/img_1579-jpg.2542311/
The white chantecler that was Carmen’s father was recessive white, which is not responsible for her coloring as she only got one copy of the gene. So you don’t need a white rooster, you need a silver one (her father must have been silver under his recessive white). The neck patterns and black tail are mostly due to columbian. Mahogany and autosomal red are often combined in breeds with rich red/gold colors, so you wouldn’t need to breed them in separately. The difficult part is keeping the rich red color when you cross to a chicken with the silver gene, as silver chickens rarely have autosomal red or mahogany. Two breeds that have those two genes (plus columbian) are Rhode Island reds and speckled sussex. Red sex links tend to have them, too, since they’re often RIR crosses. (But they also have dominant white, which lightens the color and gets rid of black.)
The easiest thing to do would be to start with a pure silver breed that already has red coloration, such as salmon faverolles. However, those breeds aren’t super common; most varieties with silver and red are gold/silver splits, so it shows mostly in the roosters and not as much in the hens.

Maybe the Sussex was a gold/silver split? But then he still wouldn’t have sex-linked chicks. The lack of dominant white is due to red sex-links only having one copy of the gene, so only half their offspring inherit it. If you’d like to have another hen like her, it would be easiest to get a New Hampshire red or a buff Sussex.
 
Sweet Cheeks! No idea what she was, but she lived to be 9, and was sprightly the whole time.
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