prayer warriors (following Jesus Christ, everyone welcome)

[kikiruru]

Thank you Lord

 

[Gammas Bearded Babies]

I struggle in that area too

Ooooooooo Jesus

At the root of our hearts I bet most of us do!

 

[Gammas Bearded Babies]

I looked back to see if I had already asked yall this and didn't see it so here goes...

We have been a disobedient race since Adam and Eve...but I think there is a difference between disobedience and rebellion.
I want yalls thoughts and input here as this is something I have been pondering the past few weeks and trying to get to the root of the problem in my own heart.
Disobedience much like Jonah when God told him to go to Nineveh but Jonah didn't believe the people deserved God's mercy...so he went the opposite direction.
I feel Rebellion has much deeper heart issues at root. I'm trying to grasp what those roots truly are.... is it PRIDE?
For example if there is a sign that says "wet paint" I will intentionally touch it cause I don't believe it is wet paint... the sign just got left up. Much like the construction work signs on the interstates...they get left up and half the time no construction is in sight!
Is that PRIDE that causes me to be so rebellious? These are just a couple examples in my own personal life but would love yalls opinions and thoughts as God lays em on your hearts to share!

 

[Nyhillbillies]

I looked back to see if I had already asked yall this and didn't see it so here goes...

We have been a disobedient race since Adam and Eve...but I think there is a difference between disobedience and rebellion.
I want yalls thoughts and input here as this is something I have been pondering the past few weeks and trying to get to the root of the problem in my own heart.
Disobedience much like Jonah when God told him to go to Nineveh but Jonah didn't believe the people deserved God's mercy...so he went the opposite direction.
I feel Rebellion has much deeper heart issues at root. I'm trying to grasp what those roots truly are.... is it PRIDE?
For example if there is a sign that says "wet paint" I will intentionally touch it cause I don't believe it is wet paint... the sign just got left up. Much like the construction work signs on the interstates...they get left up and half the time no construction is in sight!
Is that PRIDE that causes me to be so rebellious? These are just a couple examples in my own personal life but would love yalls opinions and thoughts as God lays em on your hearts to share!

Really good query! Lets look at the difference between the 2 words, and maybe you will find the answer you seek.
The definitions are from Noah Websters 1828 dictionary (the original, non-modernized version):


PRIDE, noun

1. Inordinate self-esteem; an unreasonable conceit of one's own superiority in talents, beauty, wealth, accomplishments, rank or elevation in office, which manifests itself in lofty airs, distance, reserve, and often in contempt of others.

Martial pride looks down on industry.

PRIDE goeth before destruction. Proverbs 16:18.

PRIDE that dines on vanity, sups on contempt.

All pride is abject and mean.

Those that walk in pride he is able to abase. Daniel 4:37.

2. Insolence; rude treatment of others; insolent exultation.

That hardly we escap'd the pride of France.

3. Generous elation of heart; a noble self-esteem springing from a consciousness of worth.

The honest pride of conscious virtue.

4. Elevation; loftiness.

A falcon tow'ring in her pride of place.

5. Decoration; ornament; beauty displayed.

Whose lofty trees, clad with summer's pride

Be his this sword

Whose ivory sheath, inwrought with curious pride

Adds graceful terror to the wearer's side.

6. Splendid show; ostentation.

Is this array, the war of either side

Through Athens pass'd with military pride

7. That of which men are proud; that which excites boasting.

I will cut off the pride of the Philistines. Zechariah 9:6. Zephaniah 3:11.

8. Excitement of the sexual appetite in a female beast.

9. Proud persons. Psalms 36:11.

PRIDE, verb transitive With the reciprocal pronoun, to pride one's self, to indulge pride; to take pride; to value one's self; to gratify self-esteem. They pride themselves in their wealth, dress or equipage. He prides himself in his achievements.
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REBEL'LION, noun [Latin rebellio. among the Romans, rebellion was originally a revolt or open resistance to their government by nations that had been subdued in war. It was a renewed war.]

1. An open and avowed renunciation of the authority of the government to which one owes allegiance; or the taking of arms traitorously to resist the authority of lawful government; revolt. rebellion differs from insurrection and from mutiny. Insurrection may be a rising in opposition to a particular act or law, without a design to renounce wholly all subjection to the government. Insurrection may be, but is not necessarily, rebellion Mutiny is an insurrection of soldiers or seamen against the authority of their officers.

No sooner is the standard of rebellion displayed, than men of desperate principles resort to it.

2. Open resistance to lawful authority.

Commission of rebellion in law, a commission awarded against a person who treats the king's authority with contempt, in not obeying his proclamation according to his allegiance, and refusing to attend his sovereign when required; in which case, four commissioners are ordered to attach him wherever he may be found.

 

[Nyhillbillies]

I looked back to see if I had already asked yall this and didn't see it so here goes...

We have been a disobedient race since Adam and Eve...but I think there is a difference between disobedience and rebellion.
I want yalls thoughts and input here as this is something I have been pondering the past few weeks and trying to get to the root of the problem in my own heart.
Disobedience much like Jonah when God told him to go to Nineveh but Jonah didn't believe the people deserved God's mercy...so he went the opposite direction.
I feel Rebellion has much deeper heart issues at root. I'm trying to grasp what those roots truly are.... is it PRIDE?
For example if there is a sign that says "wet paint" I will intentionally touch it cause I don't believe it is wet paint... the sign just got left up. Much like the construction work signs on the interstates...they get left up and half the time no construction is in sight!
Is that PRIDE that causes me to be so rebellious? These are just a couple examples in my own personal life but would love yalls opinions and thoughts as God lays em on your hearts to share!

To clarify, Jonah ran from God’s directive out of fear of death. Prophets were known to be persecuted and executed if the leaders & people didn’t like what was being said. They were not often the bearer or happy news!

 

[Nyhillbillies]

I looked back to see if I had already asked yall this and didn't see it so here goes...

We have been a disobedient race since Adam and Eve...but I think there is a difference between disobedience and rebellion.
I want yalls thoughts and input here as this is something I have been pondering the past few weeks and trying to get to the root of the problem in my own heart.
Disobedience much like Jonah when God told him to go to Nineveh but Jonah didn't believe the people deserved God's mercy...so he went the opposite direction.
I feel Rebellion has much deeper heart issues at root. I'm trying to grasp what those roots truly are.... is it PRIDE?
For example if there is a sign that says "wet paint" I will intentionally touch it cause I don't believe it is wet paint... the sign just got left up. Much like the construction work signs on the interstates...they get left up and half the time no construction is in sight!
Is that PRIDE that causes me to be so rebellious? These are just a couple examples in my own personal life but would love yalls opinions and thoughts as God lays em on your hearts to share!

And… we are to follow man’s laws, unless to do so goes against God’s laws…
So, even though paint signs or some road signs might not be “law”, it’s still a cautionary directive from man.

 

[Nyhillbillies]

One more definition:

DISOBEDIENCE, noun [dis and obedience.]

1. Neglect or refusal to obey; violation of a command or prohibition; the omission of that which is commanded to be done, or the doing of that which is forbid; breach of duty prescribed by authority.

2. Non-compliance.

 

[Nyhillbillies]

On a totally different subject , I’d like to share a study I am working on. This is a unfinished work…. Any thoughts so far? It’s basically the history of the modern Bible.

 

[Nyhillbillies]

I found in the study that the Bible we hold in our hands is an ‘interpretation’, not a ‘translation’. Big difference between those 2 words…

 

[Gammas Bearded Babies]

To clarify, Jonah ran from God’s directive out of fear of death. Prophets were known to be persecuted and executed if the leaders & people didn’t like what was being said. They were not often the bearer or happy news!

But I thought the reason he ran was because he knew God would forgive them and have mercy on them and he didn't think they deserved that... so he chose not to go.


Thank you for the definitions...I hadn't thought bout it from that standpoint! I will definitely dig deeper into these as I pray n study!