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That's, unfortunately, the way most people think of eggs - as eggs. Not chicks. Think of an egg in lockdown as a chick in a box. It's respiring just as much, and consuming just as much oxygen, as it will in a couple hours when it hatches. They don't hatch and then start breathing; they were "breathing" all along. They were just doing it by absorbing oxygen through the shell. So they need lots of fresh air throughout the entire last few days of incubation.

The big commercial incubators pipe in air, always. The eggs and chicks don't rely on what's already in there. I don't know how the hatchery of your youth had their incubators set, but the big ones now will strictly control the CO2 level and they want it at .03% - which is the same as fresh air - at all times. Their alarms go off and dampers open when it gets much above that. There are a very few of them that allow CO2 to rise for one very brief period during hatching to force all the chicks to pip at once, but most keep it at fresh air during the whole hatch.

Because there's no such thing as a $6 CO2 monitor, and because people think of eggs as objects that turn into chicks rather than as live chicks in boxes, they get focused on humidity as the magic thing that gives you good hatches when in fact ventilation is much more important. Think about what a commercial egg goes through - on day 18 they go down conveyor belts, they're sorted, they get holes poked in them (so they're actually pre-pipped, out in room air with no extra humidity) and then they get put in a hatcher and are expected to hatch over 90%. It's not that humidity is meaningless - very obviously it's not. But it doesn't trump everything. And if you're losing a ton of pipped eggs it's not that your humidity was 60% and it should have been 65%, or that it was 72% and should have been 65%. It's much more likely to be poor air circulation.
 
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Really makes sense. My first hatch yielded only 4 chicks of 13 that made it to lockdown. I was so careful with temp and humidity but didn't give much thought to ventilation. Starting another batch in the next day or so. So glad I opened this thread - I was so sure my low hatch rate was a humidity issue but didn't know how to fix it (too high? Too low?) Thanks for providing another perspective.
 
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ok, I get home tonight and look at the incubator.it has a fan so the air is circulating, and I pulled the plug when I noticed the first egg had pipped. Not that I am saying the oxygen theory is wrong,but why am I only having it.?I must be doing something else .
 
I understand how O2 effects hatching. I even tried having a grass bed hatching tray for a while to raise O2. I also designed a hyperbolic chamber for an incubator for high altitudes. I just don't see how O2 has anything to do with this thread. The OP does not live in a high altitude, is not using a home built incubator an does not have the plugs in the vents. I see no reason to think the O2 in the OPs incubator is lower than anyone elses. I dont know what is going on here but O2 sounds unlikely here.
 
so in other words dont do a Lock down or plant a tree in the incubator I would say drop the humidity but thats the problem with styrofoam incubators the high humidity keeps the eggs from broiling. They are all electric broilers in a box the LG has an element that gets up to 118 deg F 2" from the eggs and with out having the high humidity eggs cook


And that would be Co2 for carbon dioxide CO for carbon monoxide both deadly

O2 would be oxygen and thats a good thing
 
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Actually, I wondered the same thing.... I"m very new at this, trying to learn! I hope you get it figured out soon!

Actually that is very good question because they were not clear on that. Me? I would say that meant pull the vent plugs. But then again I have a Brinsea the vent is a slider.

Pokey, I still think you have humidity issues. Too high humidity can fill their lungs and make them barely hatch and then die, drown.
 
Few questions...


First off is the incubator siting on a solid table? Nothing soft like a towel, rubber mat or what have you?

Top vent is out correct?

How many eggs in the incubator?

Are they hatching on there side or on end?

When they pip what day is it?

What day did the one(s) that got out actually hatch?

How many failed to grow at all?

How many grew but failed to make it to day 18?

Ill think of more
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Ok, hovabator is sitting on the carpeted floor.I had 14 shipped eggs.1 developed a bacterial ring. Four were very porous and did not developed.so I had eight or nine that developed and made it to hatch.ok, four had pipped day 21.
One started a day early made it 3/4 out and died.they are pipping on the side.so I am thinking I made a mistake keeping it on the floor?
 

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