Thats funny Barry I was thinking the same thing about Snookie.
Proposed NJ Ord NOW VIRAL! See Post #1 (Update) & #36 newsclip
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http://www.latimes.com/sns-rt-chickensloven18298063-20110318,0,140003.story
LOS ANGELES TIMES
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U.S. town to limit conjugal visits for randy roosters
2:22 PM PDT, March 18, 2011
NEW YORK, March 18 (Reuters Life!) - Can you feel the love?
Some roosters in the state of New Jersey may not feel it too
often as a township plans to limit their conjugal visits with
hens.
"It's a noise issue," said John Hart, a farmer who helped
draft the chicken ordinance in Hopewell Township, which border
on Princeton.
The measure would limit mating between roosters and hens in
backyard farms to 10 days a year and no more than five
consecutive nights.
Crowing is strictly prohibited in the relatively rural town
but Hart said it could that could pose a problem.
"That's basically their mating call. In the morning, they
wake up the hens and say, 'It's time for me to take care of
business,'" Hart said.
The chicken ordinance has been under discussion for three
years, ever since a family wanted to erect a backyard coop but
was told by the town health department it would be illegal.
Meanwhile, Hart said, hundreds of chickens and roosters
have been living in town under the legal radar as the proposed
ordinance nears a final vote on March 28.
Some people mistakenly think a rooster is needed for a hen
to lay eggs, when the rooster is only necessary to fertilize
eggs to hatch live chickens, Hart added.
(Reporting by Barbara Goldberg; Editing by Ellen Wulfhorst and
Jerry Norton)
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LOS ANGELES TIMES
latimes.com
U.S. town to limit conjugal visits for randy roosters
2:22 PM PDT, March 18, 2011
NEW YORK, March 18 (Reuters Life!) - Can you feel the love?
Some roosters in the state of New Jersey may not feel it too
often as a township plans to limit their conjugal visits with
hens.
"It's a noise issue," said John Hart, a farmer who helped
draft the chicken ordinance in Hopewell Township, which border
on Princeton.
The measure would limit mating between roosters and hens in
backyard farms to 10 days a year and no more than five
consecutive nights.
Crowing is strictly prohibited in the relatively rural town
but Hart said it could that could pose a problem.
"That's basically their mating call. In the morning, they
wake up the hens and say, 'It's time for me to take care of
business,'" Hart said.
The chicken ordinance has been under discussion for three
years, ever since a family wanted to erect a backyard coop but
was told by the town health department it would be illegal.
Meanwhile, Hart said, hundreds of chickens and roosters
have been living in town under the legal radar as the proposed
ordinance nears a final vote on March 28.
Some people mistakenly think a rooster is needed for a hen
to lay eggs, when the rooster is only necessary to fertilize
eggs to hatch live chickens, Hart added.
(Reporting by Barbara Goldberg; Editing by Ellen Wulfhorst and
Jerry Norton)
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http://wyblog.us/blog/odds_n_ends/no-roosters-and-thats-not-a-joke-son.html
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Greetings from the People's Republic of New Jersey!
Well barbeque my hamhocks, Hopewell Twp sets limits on conjugal visits by roosters
Thursday, 17 March 2011
The Hopewell, NJ Township Committee is about as sharp as a pound of wet liver. They've introduced a new ordinance which limits the mating of roosters and chickens to 10 times a year. And only if the rooster doesn't crow. At all.
Male fowls would be allowed into the henhouses 10 days a year under an ordinance introduced by the township committee Monday night. No rooster would be allowed to stay more than five consecutive nights and any crowing would be strictly prohibited.
Probably won't let 'em smoke afterwards neither
"That's a joke, I say, that's a joke, son."
Sorry Foghorn Leghorn, you're not welcome in Hopewell Township. You make too much of a racket chasin' Barnyard Dawg all over tarnation.
Under the law, up to six hens would be allowed on half-acre lots; but mature roosters would be forbidden.
"They make too much noise," beef farmer John Hart said. "They'll be out there crowing at a full moon."
The male fowls would be allowed limited time on the property "for purposes of fertilization" but they'd have to keep quiet while they were there. Any rooster caught crowing for a prolonged period of time would subject the property to a two-year moratorium on all rooster visits.
What happens if the rooster breaks out in song? "Doo dah, doo dah" is off limits too?
You'd think the lumpheads running Hopewell Township would have better things to do with their time. They remind me of Paul Revere's ride - a little light in the belfry.
Ole Foghorn's not takin' this lyin' down.
"Okay, I'll shut up. Some fellas have to keep their tongues flappin' but not me. I was brought up right. My pa used to tell me to shut up and I'd shut up. I wouldn't say nothin'. One time darn near starved to death. WOULDN'T TELL HIM I WAS HUNGRY!!"
Ayup, I think it's time for him to give these wiseacres a piece of his mind.
WyBlog
Greetings from the People's Republic of New Jersey!
Well barbeque my hamhocks, Hopewell Twp sets limits on conjugal visits by roosters
Thursday, 17 March 2011
The Hopewell, NJ Township Committee is about as sharp as a pound of wet liver. They've introduced a new ordinance which limits the mating of roosters and chickens to 10 times a year. And only if the rooster doesn't crow. At all.
Male fowls would be allowed into the henhouses 10 days a year under an ordinance introduced by the township committee Monday night. No rooster would be allowed to stay more than five consecutive nights and any crowing would be strictly prohibited.
Probably won't let 'em smoke afterwards neither
"That's a joke, I say, that's a joke, son."
Sorry Foghorn Leghorn, you're not welcome in Hopewell Township. You make too much of a racket chasin' Barnyard Dawg all over tarnation.
Under the law, up to six hens would be allowed on half-acre lots; but mature roosters would be forbidden.
"They make too much noise," beef farmer John Hart said. "They'll be out there crowing at a full moon."
The male fowls would be allowed limited time on the property "for purposes of fertilization" but they'd have to keep quiet while they were there. Any rooster caught crowing for a prolonged period of time would subject the property to a two-year moratorium on all rooster visits.
What happens if the rooster breaks out in song? "Doo dah, doo dah" is off limits too?
You'd think the lumpheads running Hopewell Township would have better things to do with their time. They remind me of Paul Revere's ride - a little light in the belfry.
Ole Foghorn's not takin' this lyin' down.
"Okay, I'll shut up. Some fellas have to keep their tongues flappin' but not me. I was brought up right. My pa used to tell me to shut up and I'd shut up. I wouldn't say nothin'. One time darn near starved to death. WOULDN'T TELL HIM I WAS HUNGRY!!"
Ayup, I think it's time for him to give these wiseacres a piece of his mind.
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http://af.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idAFTRE72K2CZ20110321
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http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/w....Jersey.town.to.limit.chicken.conjugal.visits
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Town to limit conjugal visits for randy roosters
Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:48am GMT
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Can you feel the love? Some roosters in the state of New Jersey may not feel it too often as a township plans to limit their conjugal visits with hens.
"It's a noise issue," said John Hart, a farmer who helped draft the chicken ordinance in Hopewell Township, which border on Princeton.
The measure would limit mating between roosters and hens in backyard farms to 10 days a year and no more than five consecutive nights.
Crowing is strictly prohibited in the relatively rural town but Hart said it could that could pose a problem.
"That's basically their mating call. In the morning, they wake up the hens and say, 'It's time for me to take care of business,'" Hart said.
The chicken ordinance has been under discussion for three years, ever since a family wanted to erect a backyard coop but was told by the town health department it would be illegal.
Meanwhile, Hart said, hundreds of chickens and roosters have been living in town under the legal radar as the proposed ordinance nears a final vote on March 28.
Some people mistakenly think a rooster is needed for a hen to lay eggs, when the rooster is only necessary to fertilise eggs to hatch live chickens, Hart added.
(Reporting by Barbara Goldberg; Editing by Ellen Wulfhorst and Jerry Norton)
REUTERS AFRICA
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http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/w....Jersey.town.to.limit.chicken.conjugal.visits
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Town to limit conjugal visits for randy roosters
Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:48am GMT
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Can you feel the love? Some roosters in the state of New Jersey may not feel it too often as a township plans to limit their conjugal visits with hens.
"It's a noise issue," said John Hart, a farmer who helped draft the chicken ordinance in Hopewell Township, which border on Princeton.
The measure would limit mating between roosters and hens in backyard farms to 10 days a year and no more than five consecutive nights.
Crowing is strictly prohibited in the relatively rural town but Hart said it could that could pose a problem.
"That's basically their mating call. In the morning, they wake up the hens and say, 'It's time for me to take care of business,'" Hart said.
The chicken ordinance has been under discussion for three years, ever since a family wanted to erect a backyard coop but was told by the town health department it would be illegal.
Meanwhile, Hart said, hundreds of chickens and roosters have been living in town under the legal radar as the proposed ordinance nears a final vote on March 28.
Some people mistakenly think a rooster is needed for a hen to lay eggs, when the rooster is only necessary to fertilise eggs to hatch live chickens, Hart added.
(Reporting by Barbara Goldberg; Editing by Ellen Wulfhorst and Jerry Norton)
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Well, remind me never to shop at that man's store! 10 days?! In two five-day visits? Obviously, this man has very little knowledge of what it means to be breeding and gathering eggs for hatching, especially for rare breeds. I know several people who only have trios - even if the hens laid two eggs a day - that's only eight at most. (They won't lay the very first day he's there, most likely.) That's IF the hens tolerate a strange rooster in their pen. And, exactly how "loud" is "loud?" Who decides that a rooster has crowed too long or two loud? I might be able to understand the limit of six hens per half acre - we all know people who are sloppy chicken-keepers. But the setbacks are ridiculous! How about a setback for your neighbor's dog, so he can't take a dump right next to your fence? Is every house in the township situated in the center of the property lines, so that each house is separated from it's neighbor by a reasonable amount? Is every property an even rectangle or square? What about longer and thinner lots? My last property was only 100 feet long by 50 feet wide. That means my coop would have had to be in the center of our back yard to meet the requirements. And where do these "officials" think the roosters are when they are not visiting? At the Chicken Stud farm??
I think this guy just wants to keep people buying the hatchery chicks he supplies at his store, instead of folks breeding for themselves. This stupidity and lack of knowledge is what caused our schools to cancel the hatching program that had been in place for almost 15 years. The BoE people didn't want the kids to get the bird flu from the chicks. Spare me.
Good luck Hopewell - you're gonna need it.
I think this guy just wants to keep people buying the hatchery chicks he supplies at his store, instead of folks breeding for themselves. This stupidity and lack of knowledge is what caused our schools to cancel the hatching program that had been in place for almost 15 years. The BoE people didn't want the kids to get the bird flu from the chicks. Spare me.
Good luck Hopewell - you're gonna need it.
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Check this one out.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2011/03/hopewell_township_rooster_mati.html
THE TIMES OF TRENTON
Hopewell Township rooster mating rules become international news, television talkshow fodder
Published: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 9:41 AM Updated: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 9:59 AM
Meir Rinde/The Times
HOPEWELL TWP. -- The roosters of Hopewell Township have gone global.
"A New Jersey town council is trying to rein in roosters libidos in a bid to keep the noise down," clucked Britains Daily Mail.
"Une ville aux USA restreint la saison des amours des coqs," crowed LExpress, a French paper.
"Legislating Cock-a-Doodle-Doo," squawked The Wall Street Journal.
And the crowning achievement: on "Live! with Regis & Kelly" on Friday, Kelly Ripa read a few lines from The Wall Street Journal article to guest host Michael Buble. The township, she said, was considering limiting "how often roosters and hens can roll in the hay."
"Ba-dum-cha!" Ripa said. "That is so weird," Buble responded.
PREVIOUS COVERAGE:
N.J. town proposes limiting mating of roosters, chickens in backyard farms to 10 days a year
Editorial: Hopewell proposal to limit backyard rooster mating to 10 days is pure poppycock
After The Times reported last week on the proposed ordinance which would limit backyard chicken enthusiasts to 10 days of rooster visits a year and impose other regulations the Associated Press and Reuters picked up the story and quickly sent it zooming around the world.
John Hart, the agricultural store owner who helped draft the ordinance, joked that The Times should win a Pulitzer Prize for its coverage.
"Its gone all over the world," he said. "I saw it on four different foreign newspapers already."
Hart, who hosts a Chicken Chat in the spring and fall for people to share ideas about raising poultry, said hes had 10 to 15 phone calls from reporters to his business, Rosedale Mills.
"I dont mind, as long as I get a little publicity for the store," he said. "I hope a couple of the reporters come to our Chicken Chat, to find out what all this is about."
Other residents, including Mayor Jim Burd, seemed tickled by the townships 15 seconds of fame. Burd played along in The Wall Street Journal article, saying, "Weve been pecking at this for quite some time," and "Dont egg us on, please."
Ted Borer, whose inquiries about chicken care helped initiate the proposed law, e-mailed links to each new article. "Poultry humor rules," he wrote. He offered two reasons the story attracted so much attention.
"One, with so much bleak news, the world desperately needs something to be amused by right now," he wrote. "Two, talking about chicken sex makes people crack up."
Indeed, Hart noted that it was the recent addition of limitations on roosters "conjugal visits" to backyard chicken coops as a way to reduce early morning nuisance crowing that drew attention to a proposal that had been under consideration for three years.
"Now the joke is that people have roosters for rent," he said, laughing.
Committee member Vanessa Sandom said she has heard suggestions for Hopewell Township T-shirts that play off on an alternate term for a rooster.
"There are a lot of versions of T-shirts out there," she said. "Some of them are rather raunchy."
But Sandom said she was also bothered by the focus on a proposal that she described as unnecessary, overreaching and unenforceable.
"Its just very sad that the way we get ourselves on the map is through this, that the world is introduced to Hopewell Township through this legislation," she said. "Because we do a lot of good things, and they dont know us for the good stuff."
Sandom said the ordinance was originally hatched out of a mistaken belief that chickens are not considered pets under township law or that chicken owners needed zoning variances. Once that was cleared up, the proposal evolved into an overly detailed animal control ordinance, she argued.
"There are already rules on the books saying if a pet is a nuisance, you deal with it," she said. "You certainly dont stand there with a stopwatch counting how many minutes or days the rooster has been there."
The committee is scheduled to vote on the measure April 25.
Follow the Times of Trenton on Twitter.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2011/03/hopewell_township_rooster_mati.html
THE TIMES OF TRENTON
Hopewell Township rooster mating rules become international news, television talkshow fodder
Published: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 9:41 AM Updated: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 9:59 AM
Meir Rinde/The Times
HOPEWELL TWP. -- The roosters of Hopewell Township have gone global.
"A New Jersey town council is trying to rein in roosters libidos in a bid to keep the noise down," clucked Britains Daily Mail.
"Une ville aux USA restreint la saison des amours des coqs," crowed LExpress, a French paper.
"Legislating Cock-a-Doodle-Doo," squawked The Wall Street Journal.
And the crowning achievement: on "Live! with Regis & Kelly" on Friday, Kelly Ripa read a few lines from The Wall Street Journal article to guest host Michael Buble. The township, she said, was considering limiting "how often roosters and hens can roll in the hay."
"Ba-dum-cha!" Ripa said. "That is so weird," Buble responded.
PREVIOUS COVERAGE:
N.J. town proposes limiting mating of roosters, chickens in backyard farms to 10 days a year
Editorial: Hopewell proposal to limit backyard rooster mating to 10 days is pure poppycock
After The Times reported last week on the proposed ordinance which would limit backyard chicken enthusiasts to 10 days of rooster visits a year and impose other regulations the Associated Press and Reuters picked up the story and quickly sent it zooming around the world.
John Hart, the agricultural store owner who helped draft the ordinance, joked that The Times should win a Pulitzer Prize for its coverage.
"Its gone all over the world," he said. "I saw it on four different foreign newspapers already."
Hart, who hosts a Chicken Chat in the spring and fall for people to share ideas about raising poultry, said hes had 10 to 15 phone calls from reporters to his business, Rosedale Mills.
"I dont mind, as long as I get a little publicity for the store," he said. "I hope a couple of the reporters come to our Chicken Chat, to find out what all this is about."
Other residents, including Mayor Jim Burd, seemed tickled by the townships 15 seconds of fame. Burd played along in The Wall Street Journal article, saying, "Weve been pecking at this for quite some time," and "Dont egg us on, please."
Ted Borer, whose inquiries about chicken care helped initiate the proposed law, e-mailed links to each new article. "Poultry humor rules," he wrote. He offered two reasons the story attracted so much attention.
"One, with so much bleak news, the world desperately needs something to be amused by right now," he wrote. "Two, talking about chicken sex makes people crack up."
Indeed, Hart noted that it was the recent addition of limitations on roosters "conjugal visits" to backyard chicken coops as a way to reduce early morning nuisance crowing that drew attention to a proposal that had been under consideration for three years.
"Now the joke is that people have roosters for rent," he said, laughing.
Committee member Vanessa Sandom said she has heard suggestions for Hopewell Township T-shirts that play off on an alternate term for a rooster.
"There are a lot of versions of T-shirts out there," she said. "Some of them are rather raunchy."
But Sandom said she was also bothered by the focus on a proposal that she described as unnecessary, overreaching and unenforceable.
"Its just very sad that the way we get ourselves on the map is through this, that the world is introduced to Hopewell Township through this legislation," she said. "Because we do a lot of good things, and they dont know us for the good stuff."
Sandom said the ordinance was originally hatched out of a mistaken belief that chickens are not considered pets under township law or that chicken owners needed zoning variances. Once that was cleared up, the proposal evolved into an overly detailed animal control ordinance, she argued.
"There are already rules on the books saying if a pet is a nuisance, you deal with it," she said. "You certainly dont stand there with a stopwatch counting how many minutes or days the rooster has been there."
The committee is scheduled to vote on the measure April 25.
Follow the Times of Trenton on Twitter.
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Amen Mary/mame. I have restrained from commenting thus far in order to not to influence reaction but the dog thing - including relentless barking - grrr - long a double standard. I love all beings but...
While well intentioned...
There are biosecurity issues here, big time.
There are bird stress issues here, big time.
I can go on...and will, soon.
Please keep the thoughts coming.
JJ
Amen Mary/mame. I have restrained from commenting thus far in order to not to influence reaction but the dog thing - including relentless barking - grrr - long a double standard. I love all beings but...
While well intentioned...
There are biosecurity issues here, big time.
There are bird stress issues here, big time.
I can go on...and will, soon.
Please keep the thoughts coming.
JJ
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Amen Mary/mame. I have restrained from commenting thus far in order to not to influence reaction but the dog thing - including relentless barking - grrr - long a double standard. I love all beings but...
While well intentioned...
There are biosecurity issues here, big time.
There are bird stress issues here, big time.
I can go on...and will, soon.
Please keep the thoughts coming.
JJ
You know, I only thought about the bio-security thing this morning. How will they account for the two week quarantine every time a new bird comes onto your property? Was there ANYONE with more than a week's experience with chickens on that ordinance committee? Wish I could help. The only place I could even think of sending you was Mad City Chickens, but they were fighting for the right to have just four hens - no roos. Still, they are amassing a database of sorts to fight, or at least successfully argue, situations like these.
Amen Mary/mame. I have restrained from commenting thus far in order to not to influence reaction but the dog thing - including relentless barking - grrr - long a double standard. I love all beings but...
While well intentioned...
There are biosecurity issues here, big time.
There are bird stress issues here, big time.
I can go on...and will, soon.
Please keep the thoughts coming.
JJ
You know, I only thought about the bio-security thing this morning. How will they account for the two week quarantine every time a new bird comes onto your property? Was there ANYONE with more than a week's experience with chickens on that ordinance committee? Wish I could help. The only place I could even think of sending you was Mad City Chickens, but they were fighting for the right to have just four hens - no roos. Still, they are amassing a database of sorts to fight, or at least successfully argue, situations like these.
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Thanks Mary.
Okay folks, the letters to the editor in the local paper where there is proposed have all thus far been in support.
There is very little time left before possible adoption.
Any other thoughts?
JJ
Okay folks, the letters to the editor in the local paper where there is proposed have all thus far been in support.
There is very little time left before possible adoption.
Any other thoughts?
JJ
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The only thing I can think of is not to go in with guns blazing, but simply ask for a postponement of the vote until more opinion and REAL information can be gathered from reliable sources. No chicken person proposed that 10-day garbage. If you have a group going, make sure everyone agrees not to lose their temper, or the board won't listen. If the board seems like a bunch of - well, let's just say jerks - then you can let them know, in a very calm manner, that you will all see that it will be their last term on the board. And, let them know that you know all the names of the reporters for the local papers who are standing by willing to talk to you. (You probably don't, but why not make a phone call today and get a couple of names anyway) Make sure you have a brainstorming session beforehand to write down any questions and hypotheticals like, "if a property is long and narrow, but has enough acreage, how do I deal with the setback issue?" etc. Even better, type up a list of the questions and concerns - I'm sure there are many - and make several copies to present to the board during the public option. Did any of you contact Mad City Chickens and get their advice?
Good luck, and keep us posted.
The only thing I can think of is not to go in with guns blazing, but simply ask for a postponement of the vote until more opinion and REAL information can be gathered from reliable sources. No chicken person proposed that 10-day garbage. If you have a group going, make sure everyone agrees not to lose their temper, or the board won't listen. If the board seems like a bunch of - well, let's just say jerks - then you can let them know, in a very calm manner, that you will all see that it will be their last term on the board. And, let them know that you know all the names of the reporters for the local papers who are standing by willing to talk to you. (You probably don't, but why not make a phone call today and get a couple of names anyway) Make sure you have a brainstorming session beforehand to write down any questions and hypotheticals like, "if a property is long and narrow, but has enough acreage, how do I deal with the setback issue?" etc. Even better, type up a list of the questions and concerns - I'm sure there are many - and make several copies to present to the board during the public option. Did any of you contact Mad City Chickens and get their advice?
Good luck, and keep us posted.
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