Pros and cons of organic vs nonorganic?

[rfeyer]

Interesting thread!

And, as the last poster noted, wow - how upset some can get - notably not the ones simply asking ofr information on GMO vs organically feeding their animals.
Being in the medical field, I have this discussion several times per week - arguably, there are facts produced on either side which 'sound' plausible, however, the one fact remains constant:
Organically grown food has more natural vitamins and minerals which are easier for our body to digest.
The rest? semantics
And I do try to support my local farmers, even purchase meat grown free range.

 

[Demidog]

Interesting thread!

And, as the last poster noted, wow - how upset some can get - notably not the ones simply asking ofr information on GMO vs organically feeding their animals.
Being in the medical field, I have this discussion several times per week - arguably, there are facts produced on either side which 'sound' plausible, however, the one fact remains constant:
Organically grown food has more natural vitamins and minerals which are easier for our body to digest.
The rest? semantics
And I do try to support my local farmers, even purchase meat grown free range.

Organic food is not more nutritious than conventionally grown food. It's just the same.

Watch this:

Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t - Organic food

 

[nerd0geekboyz]

For what it's worth, I feed my hens organic feed which makes my wife happy and that's all that matters.

 

[rfeyer]

Demidog and alike,

thank you for your awesome reply - i truly will remember this information.

Now, that being said:

- I like my Tea from real tea leaves
-I like my workouts to be in my woods cutting and splitting wood rather than on a sweaty bench in some workout place
- I like trees which grow in dirt, rather than are made of indestructible plastic
- I like looking into the sky if there are interesting clouds or stars.
- I like looking at nature
- And, I like naturally grown food.

I have absolutely no problems with people who like plastic flowers, TV screens with pictures of stars, modified foods, and possibly mechanical dogs instead of a stinky dog (albeit the stinky one having character).

So, you can show me any article you wish - we have evolved with Natural food and therefore are better able to process natural food. In another millennium, who knows, natural food may give us all allergies

 

[chickengeorgeto]

Interesting thread!

And, as the last poster noted, wow - how upset some can get - notably not the ones simply asking ofr information on GMO vs organically feeding their animals.
Being in the medical field, I have this discussion several times per week - arguably, there are facts produced on either side which 'sound' plausible, however, the one fact remains constant:
Organically grown food has more natural vitamins and minerals which are easier for our body to digest.
The rest? semantics
And I do try to support my local farmers, even purchase meat grown free range.

I am not angry at all except when someone intentionally misrepresents the basic scientific facts of an issue. Now don't take what I am about to say negatively, but I really doubt in my heart of hearts that you as a medical professional would dare prescribe a homemade elixir of say powered fox fire, organic digitalis, and homemade moonshine whiskey to one of your patients for stomach complaints, or give desiccated wild mushrooms of a doubtful lineage to a pregnant woman, or even sacrifice a chicken in order to make a diagnosis by reading the chickens' entrails. I am betting that you would order an X-Ray, CT scan, MRI or lab test. I am cool with that and I am cool with you following your Hippocratic oath. But at the same time one needs to follow the basic scientific principle when discussing GM foods. The No GMOs, NO WHERE AT ANYTIME people are kicking against the pricks of modern science and technology as sure as the witch burning rubes of 1692 in Salem Massachusetts did. Burning witches is no different from those today who spread rumors and rumors of rumors about GMOs and call it factual science.

All food is natural, at least until it has been mixed with a medley of other ingredients or foods and then cooked, salted, frozen, canned, bottled, dehydrated, preserved, pickled, or packaged. In the helm of GMOs there are even verities of GM food that are more nutritious than the old fashion kind by virtue of genetic engineering. Improved nutrition was the goal before the genetic modifications began and it was the result. No one in the lab accidently knocked over two beakers of smoking chemicals and the result was a Frankin Food. The GM seeds are intended to be given away for free to farmers in the Third World, but the well fed elites in this country and in most of Europe so far have prevented this life saving variety of rice from being distributed. I do not claim that GMOs are in and of themselves an end game, but the very people who most disagree with me about GMOs argue that GMOs, any and all GMOs are the spawn of Satan. Any reasonable person can see that GMOs are no more evil than Friday the 13th or that organic food is no worse than a black cat. So far I have yet to see, hear, or read about any thing that is grown in Mother Earth that was not produced naturally. Naturally means by using dirt, water, warm Sunlight, and minerals. In fact it is quite unnatural for a human infant to be born anywhere but in its mothers' bed. So do you practice natural child birth in your medical practice or do you still prefer the unnatural kind of child birth in a hospital? My oldest child was born at home without an attending physician and my wife (a registered ER nurse claims that it was the quickest, easiest, least painful, and most rewarding of all 3 of her deliveries.

I would really really like to see your proof that organic food is better or contains more minerals and vitamins, especially since all premier scientific organizations in this country, like the AMA, disagrees with that contention.

For extra credit answer the following question.
Who was the first US President born in a hospital? PM me for the answer

 

[chickengeorgeto]

Wow! Here is another fact for ya.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2023719/

I did not know that the Huffington Post was in possession of Danny DeVito's, Michael Pollan's, Alice Waters', or Jullian Michaels' PhD dissertations on the dangers of GMOs!

I wish to remind everyone that you may just as well take the advise of Cornel Sanders, Betty Crocker, Ronald McDonald, and Elsie the Cow for all that the four celebrities mentioned above know about science. Am I the only one here to miss this attempt at misdirecting the narrative?

 

[chickengeorgeto]

You're totally mad. I bet you don't even love chickens, you just love to argue... rabble rabble rabble, snarky snarky snarky.

No. I love truth and I love chickens despite you dragging a red herring behind you to obscure the truth. I do however get totally mad when I see people repeatedly and with malice before thought willfully and totally violating the truth.

 

[Demidog]

Demidog and alike,

thank you for your awesome reply - i truly will remember this information.

Now, that being said:

- I like my Tea from real tea leaves
-I like my workouts to be in my woods cutting and splitting wood rather than on a sweaty bench in some workout place
- I like trees which grow in dirt, rather than are made of indestructible plastic
- I like looking into the sky if there are interesting clouds or stars.
- I like looking at nature
- And, I like naturally grown food.

I have absolutely no problems with people who like plastic flowers, TV screens with pictures of stars, modified foods, and possibly mechanical dogs instead of a stinky dog (albeit the stinky one having character).

So, you can show me any article you wish - we have evolved with Natural food and therefore are better able to process natural food. In another millennium, who knows, natural food may give us all allergies

FYI, I like all those things too. I love nature so much i went and got a degree in it, married an agronomist (he also has a post graduate in sustainable farming), bought some land and are living as self-sufficiently as possible. Just because i like science doesn't mean i oppose nature. On the contrary, science is the best way to understand the natural world around us.

We should be embracing technology because it helps us live better - renewable energy like wind turbines and solar panels are better for the planet than 'natural' coal and gas. Just because something is 'natural' doesn't mean it is the best option. We can use science and technology to understand and improve on what is 'natural', in order to benefit us and the planet.

You shouldn't fear something just because you don't understand it. GM crops are the same plant with just one tiny alteration to make it better. It's still corn, it's still made of the same stuff. Food is food, your body doesn't care. It all gets broken down and digested in the same way. GM crops are intensively tested before they are approved. They are demonstrably safe to eat and you shouldn't fear them. Why would any food company want to make food that is toxic to it's consumers? They are a business, their aim is to make money. They want their consumers to be happy with their product so people will buy it. If their consumers all die from poisoning then obviously that's bad for business!

 

[Suzierd]

Not going to argue its pointless, came across this article and thought the OP wold like to read it.
http://omicsonline.org/open-access/...s-in-animals-and-humans-2161-0525.1000210.pdf

 

[chickengeorgeto]

Ho boy.

Not going to argue its pointless, came across this article and thought the OP wold like to read it.
http://omicsonline.org/open-access/...s-in-animals-and-humans-2161-0525.1000210.pdf

Ho boy. That was a good old college try there Suzierd. However these so called experts on RoundUp certainly have an ax to grind with Monsanto. I say this because RoundUp was first used on crops in the middle 1970s. The first RoundUp Ready GM crop (Soybeans) was not released until 1996. That's a 20 year gap between when RoundUp was invented, patented, and first offered for sale to be used on crops, and the emergence of RoundUp ready Soybeans. Yet the good(?) Doctors from Leipzig seem to be saying that round up ready crops predated RoundUp because to the unknowing or the uncaring it sounds more damning.

Now none of this means that the good doctors in Leipzig are wrong, but it sure calls into question their honesty because they are totally blaming GM crops for RoundUp residue in the pee of Europeans without mentioning that RoundUp was and is still used on food crops (both GM and Conventional) world wide.

But HOLD ON, nothing shines a more unflattering or damning light on the good Doctors' from Leipzig so called RESEARCH than this little nugget of info.
"In another recent European study, commissioned by Friends of The Earth (FoE) and GM Freeze, volunteers from 18 countries submitted urine samples to be tested for traces of glyphosate. All of the volunteers lived in cities and had never used or handled glyphosate prior to the test. Laboratory tests concluded that 44% of people had traces of glyphosate in their urine. The rate of positive samples varied by country, with Malta, Germany, the UK, and Poland having the highest rates and Switzerland and Macedonia having the lowest rates."
http://communities.washingtontimes....ises-levels-glyphosate-residue-allowed-your-/

This "RESEARCH" is not scientific, double blind, or even nearsighted. You can almost see the Friends of the Earth and GM FREEZE "volunteers" salting their pee with RoundUp. Were do people get the idea that they can dissemble, stretch the truth, and even actually lie and get away with it? At the very least these Doctors deserve to loose tenure because of scientific fraud.

The EPA is hardly a cheering section for pesticides but last July the EPA doubled the allowable level of RoundUp in food.

Now I don't actually expect the folks opposed to GMs to read or study the issue with an open mind but I do hope that the rampant dishonesty of the anti RoundUp people helps some of you see the light.


Don't knock it. At least Kickapoo Indian Salve is Organic Buffalo lard with a few homeopathic herbs thrown in for good measure, and if you intend to use organic Kickapoo Indian Salve on both your Pimples and on your itching Piles, you had better buy two bottles.