Pullet is throwing head back, doesn't get up and stretches legs out.

[WalkingWolf]

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I usally give mine milk with beef baby food mixed all together. I usally works, But I think i need some thing else.

Do you do the can liquid chicken broth? Regular flavor yogurt or any flavor?

I use chicken broth from birds I have pressure cooked, but I see no reason the canned would not be ok. Just get the low sodium. I use the plain yogurt with no sugar or flavorings. Forgot to add that I put a small amount of ACV in it also.

 

[shay20]

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I usally give mine milk with beef baby food mixed all together. I usally works, But I think i need some thing else.

Do you do the can liquid chicken broth? Regular flavor yogurt or any flavor?

I use chicken broth from birds I have pressure cooked, but I see no reason the canned would not be ok. Just get the low sodium. I use the plain yogurt with no sugar or flavorings. Forgot to add that I put a small amount of ACV in it also.

Great, now that is for electrolytes right?

 

[dlhunicorn]

Please use proper electrolytes (most feed stores will have this) or else diluted pedialyte. It is the BALANCE between the different "ingredients" of an electrolyte mix that is so crucial... you dont want to take risks with excess salt with a bird that is already weak and ill.

 

[shay20]

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any pedialyte? Can it be flavored or just regular? How diluted, how much water to how pedialyte?

 

[WalkingWolf]

Shay the mixture for pedialite is 50/50 to water, I had tried this and got moderate results. I had used the broth with sick dogs before and it does amazing things in healing. On the occasion that I get a chick or chicken that is a slow or stop eating they will never turn down the chicken broth. You do have to avoid the sodium if you buy it from the store. But there is nothing toxic in broth you make yourself and it is healthy and the birds respond. Sometimes I have to hold their heads back or they will bury their beak to the nostril. Chicken broth has always been recognized as a strong medicine even by doctors. I would imagine it soothes the stomach much the same as it does for us. I have saved several dogs for people using broth and kaopectate from parvo. Never lost a one using it, and some were severely dehydrated.

 

[robin416]

Yes, there is. As Diana noted its the amount of sodium in commercially prepared broth. Besides the fact many of them contain massive amounts of MSG. You can kill a chicken pretty darn quick with too much salt.

Broth does not carry the added benefit of minerals that depleted birds need. I don't use half and half pedialyte when I need it, I use it full strength.

 

[dlhunicorn]

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any pedialyte? Can it be flavored or just regular? How diluted, how much water to how pedialyte?

Pedialyte is an emergency substitute (many with children have it ) > preferably NONflavored however, if you are going to the store (you do not have in house) then look in the pet dept. for electrolyte solution (you must mix it with water) or you can make your own (be sure to get salt SUBSTITUTE in order to make the recipe below if you cannot find a commercial one > here below from a rehabber site>>> Please make the effort to get the salt substitute (potassium chloride) :
From "Practical Wildlife Care" by Les Stocker:
"It is possible to mix your own equivalent oral rehydrating salts by using the following ingredients:

7g sodium chloride (NaCl, common salt)
5g sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)
3g potassium chloride (commonly called "Muriate of Potash". Salt substitutes contain mostly potassium chloride)
40g glucose (a common source is corn syrup)
2 litres water

The solution must be mixed thoroughly and discarded after 24 hours."

Here is the USA conversion ((is not EXACT as a gram of peanut butter weighs in differently than a gram of sugar but it should be ok... just make sure when measuring that it is level and not rounded unless otherwise specified)
one and one/half teaspoon salt
one teasoon baking soda
one/half teaspoon (slightly ROUNDED>not level) salt substitue
3 tablespoons glucose (corn syrup)
two (FULL) quarts of water):


more (rehydration/electroytes)
http://www.cliniciansbrief.com/cms/port … _Cap15.pdf
Clincians Brief (excerpt)
"...a warmed, balanced electrolyte solution can be given via the oral, subcutaneous, intrvenous or intraosseous route. The estimated daily fluid requirement for most avian species patients is 40 to 60 ml/kg per day. In renal failure patients, 10% of the birds bodyweight should be given in fluids..."

http://www.anmldr.com/PalmVet/SA-18-7-8-9.htm#rehydration
(small excerpt):
"Cereal-based oral rehydration solution can be made by mixing 1/2 cup dry, precooked infant's rice cereal with 2 cups of water and 1/4 teaspoon of salt. This mixture is thick but drinkable. It is just as effective as glucose-based oral solutions in preventing and treating dehydration and has the added advantage of reducing the volume and duration of diarrhea. "
Note: Human formulation info regarding above:
http://www.medicinenet.com/diarrhea/page7.htm
"Infalyte is the only one that contains rice carbohydrate instead of glucose."

You need to make sure that the bird swallows itself... A bird has two "holes" and unlike mammals a bird cannot "automatically" close the hole leading to the airways (has no epiglottis) so when helping a bird to drink, NEVER squirt it in their beak (may go into the airways and cause aspiration pnuemonia)... dribble alongside the beak or dip the beak gently into the waterer to "remind" it to drink... birds with neurological symptoms are often unable to control their head and neck movements sufficiently ... it is imperative however they get sufficient hydration as dehydration will kill a bird quicker than what is originally ailing it.

 

[threehorses]

I'm not saying much, but have been reading. I think that Diana is giving you awesome advice and I do hope you're able to follow it as she writes it. Just wanted to second her well thought out advice here.

 

[sleepyt]

I'm just wondering if the vitamin E with selenium I bought is okay. When I got it home I realized it was a tablet not an oil capsule. It was the only bottle that had the selenium. Should I have bought a regular vit E oil capsule?

 

[robin416]

If you have a pestle and mortar crush the heck out of it. Mix it with some water or molassis that's been thinned or unsweetened Kool Aid. She should be willing to drink it if its disguised. Hold her head so she can drink.