Quail Genes & Help With Genetic Ids

[Slinkyrobb]

Hello all, what colors would these two be? I believe one has fee but what it's a fee of I'm stumped and the brown one doesn't quite match any pics I have seen online.

 

[Pipsnchicks]

Hello all, what colors would these two be? I believe one has fee but what it's a fee of I'm stumped and the brown one doesn't quite match any pics I have seen online.

You're right! The first one does have Fee - that's what makes her black and grey and white like that instead of brown or yellow. However, she's got some other genes in her causing that beautiful patterning through her back. If I had to guess, I'd say likely Sparkly, though it could be AP.

The second bird (not feather sexable) is not fee - you can tell because she's still got a lot of brown. She's got another mutation changing her pattern as well, but this one is likely one copy of EB (based on her facial markings) and one copy of American Pansy. Or Sparkly instead of AP, but based on the markings I'd lean towards American Pansy. It could also have the Crescent gene and Bib gene causing that white on her face. We don't really know if that's a natural part of E genes or if that's a separate gene though.

 

[Slinkyrobb]

You're right! The first one does have Fee - that's what makes her black and grey and white like that instead of brown or yellow. However, she's got some other genes in her causing that beautiful patterning through her back. If I had to guess, I'd say likely Sparkly, though it could be AP.

The second bird (not feather sexable) is not fee - you can tell because she's still got a lot of brown. She's got another mutation changing her pattern as well, but this one is likely one copy of EB (based on her facial markings) and one copy of American Pansy. Or Sparkly instead of AP, but based on the markings I'd lean towards American Pansy. It could also have the Crescent gene and Bib gene causing that white on her face. We don't really know if that's a natural part of E genes or if that's a separate gene though.

I ordered Randoms from a breeder, pansy, and pansy fee are 2 of the possibles but so is sparkly as well as all the other fees. I originally thought pansy but he or she is just so dark. I do know the breeder likes to mix and match when breeding colors so that's part of the confusion. I also got a Tibetan tuxedo on this order. They are all celadons. Thank you for your time and helping educate me.

 

[Slinkyrobb]

You're right! The first one does have Fee - that's what makes her black and grey and white like that instead of brown or yellow. However, she's got some other genes in her causing that beautiful patterning through her back. If I had to guess, I'd say likely Sparkly, though it could be AP.

The second bird (not feather sexable) is not fee - you can tell because she's still got a lot of brown. She's got another mutation changing her pattern as well, but this one is likely one copy of EB (based on her facial markings) and one copy of American Pansy. Or Sparkly instead of AP, but based on the markings I'd lean towards American Pansy. It could also have the Crescent gene and Bib gene causing that white on her face. We don't really know if that's a natural part of E genes or if that's a separate gene though.

The breeder got back to me and said one of them is pansy fee tuxedo mix but she didn't say which one. So I don't know if she was referring to brown one or gray one. She said it had 1 copy of fee gene and 1 copy of pansy

 

[Pipsnchicks]

Can I ask who the breeder was? Those aren't typical, straight Pansy (sometimes called German Pansy). It is possible if you bought from Jen Jordan or Rebecca Lynch or a few other breeders that they are American Pansy... There was a lot of confusion a while back between Regular/German Pansy and Sparkly though.

 

[Slinkyrobb]

Can I ask who the breeder was? Those aren't typical, straight Pansy (sometimes called German Pansy). It is possible if you bought from Jen Jordan or Rebecca Lynch or a few other breeders that they are American Pansy... There was a lot of confusion a while back between Regular/German Pansy and Sparkly though.

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[Pipsnchicks]

I don't know them sadly... Otherwise I could help more!

 

[Susan Skylark]

I have a batch of 12 3-week old chicks (all EB save 3 Italians), there is some roux, fee, blue, and white in the mix too, as far as I know there is no pansy/sparkly etc. in my flock, but this guy caught my eye today, he has a ton of extra barring compared to the others in the batch. I'm assuming just Grau fee (EB Fee), maybe homozygous, but just want to make sure. You can see parts of three other EB birds in the background for comparison. Thanks!

 

[Ellellyn]

There may or may not be a project in the works...

Ooo, exciting!

 

[Susan Skylark]

I’m going to resurrect this post/photo, this is a hen from my original hatch of random eBay eggs. Definitely wild, Italian, eb, fee, roux and white in this mix along with one Blau bird. But this one had me stumped, thought it was Blau over Italian with tuxedo but the base is eb. Then maybe scarlet (eb/roux) fee tuxedo but I’ve since hatched a dozen scarlet/scarlet fee birds and none are beige, I get many shades of red/orange/brownish but nothing like this. And it isn’t a Blau bird as I’m not hatching any chicks which I should with a codominant gene. After trying to figure out my mixed mystery chicks I ran across the ginger mutation, which is sex linked recessive and behaves like roux, which would explain why there are no chicks this color as I’ve only kept one male I’ve hatched from my own birds (that was an Italian so not out of this hen), her sons should be carriers and half his daughters should be ginger (if I have the mutation correct). I think I need to try a breeding project with this gal!