Quality of ideal poultry 's birds

[rodriguezpoultry]

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In a good quality poultry show, one that has other birds that are of at least decent quality. Ideal birds don't stand a chance. Go with another hatchery if you want something that looks similar.

Birds from breeders don't have to be expensive. I'm selling some SQ Blue Langshan eggs right now for $10 and have had two people retract bids. It's not from MY lack of trying to get the birds out there.

 

[WalkingWolf]

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In a good quality poultry show, one that has other birds that are of at least decent quality. Ideal birds don't stand a chance. Go with another hatchery if you want something that looks similar.

Birds from breeders don't have to be expensive. I'm selling some SQ Blue Langshan eggs right now for $10 and have had two people retract bids. It's not from MY lack of trying to get the birds out there.

Rod my apologies ahead of time.

When you sell show quality eggs do you guarantee show quality birds from those eggs? Is that all that is necessary to win shows, just buy some SG eggs hatch them and enter and win?

I accidentally acquired Aus show quality Coronation and light sussex. They were supposed to be another breed. As the breeder told me and I agree I hit the lottery. Some of his birds have gone for $1000 to $4000 USD. When I breed these birds I WILL NOT list them as SQ even if my birds were to win a show this still would not be true of the chicks.

You know yourself you put more work into winning with a bird than just buying a egg. The BIG POINT here is Ideal does NOT advertise SQ, and nobody has ever got stung by buying from them. I have been stung by a so called SQ breeder. If anybody is going to sell me SQ eggs they better have the ribbons for those particular rooster and pullets to prove it.

Again I don't want a hot and heavy debate as Ideal does not sell SG chicks. They mislead none.

 

[CountryMom]

I am going to stick my neck out here and say what I have learned and a lot of it the hard way. SQ birds don't always produce SQ offspring. I know that from what I have produced here on the ranch. And have had them turn out WAY worse than any of my birds from Ideal. Especially the silkies. Also, as I have searched and tried to deal with breeders, you don't always get birds that produce.

So why do you want chickens is what you need to decide. It was a decision I had to come to here recently. I want chickens who will lay eggs, be productive for meat, and produce offspring. After getting a refund from Superior for their lack of ability to produce, I really got to thinking. (Now some of Superior Farms issues I know are age of birds, but also that they just were not producing. Excellent manager there Danny.) So knowing I will NEVER show chickens, it isn't a necessity that I have SQ chickens. I want healthy chickens that do what I need them to do - lay eggs and grow healthy. Ideal has done that for us in some of our breeds. Others like our Welsummers we did go to a breeder in hopes of darker eggs. Still haven't come of age to produce to know for sure.

I am not saying being a breeder of SQ stock isn't important. I know many of them are here and do an excellent job. Their knowledge is wonderful and helpful if given without being negative (as any good advice should be given.) I also must say that I haven't purchased any eggs from rodriguezpoultry so the ones I am speaking of coming out bad were not from her stock. However, she has been helpful in explaining standards to what she does know in chickens.

So Ideal for us has been a good source of chickens. We haven't had any issues with ill temperment, deformities, or illness. Their customer service is great and I honestly think they try very hard to satisfy their customers. Not ever transaction is perfect, not even for breeders. Overall, I can't say Ideal is a horrible place to purchase stock. Just know what you want and set goals for that before expecting the wrong thing from any source. Like getting SQ Partridge Rocks and then finding out that there are fertility problems.

 

[walkswithdog]

While I'd love to have SQ Partridge Rocks, they are hard to come by... But many good breeders of show birds that I have "met" like Rodriguez are more than fair with their pricing and help.

People are people some are ........ and some are good folks, no matter the venue.

Rodriguez is gonna sell me some NICE SQ Barred Rock eggs when the group is laying well. I'll be happy with them.

You cannot ever depend on a hatchery to sell SQ quality stock. Probably a few in thousands sold. But buying eggs from SQ poultry parents does up the chances, to about one in TEN on average. Genetics is a funny thing, it won't hand out guarantees no matter how hard people try.

For a solid home flock of layers there isn't anything wrong with hatchery birds. If you want show stock, you buy show stock. You can BUILD to show quality over LOTS of time and effort from hatchery if you are so inclined or have to. Buying SQ jumpstarts things because you are starting solidly in the ballpark.

I'm so inclined, it's as much a learning tool for me to work fromt he ground up as a need since I haven't had a lot of luck getting in show blood.

Getting mad at a hatchery for having hatchery quality birds is really a lack of investigation and that's often going to lead to dissappointment. Almost anything worth doing is worth studying/researching first.

I've found show and heritage breeders to be very helpful over all, and appreciate their dedication to the breeds they love.

Rodriguez tell them pullets I'm WAITINGGGGGGGG... LOL

 

[CountryMom]

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Absolutely LOVE that. Genetics are funny things. From my experience with SQ guinea pigs and breeding, I can totally agree. However, I have seen a few people present their pet store pigs and win on the table. Of course the fact that they have no idea what the heck they purchased is more than a luck of the draw. But fact is that the pigs came from probably a breeder of SQ. And could be the same with Ideal and any hatchery. It is the difference in culling for what is desired...production... or show. Not always hand in hand. The point being, know what you want before you go the whatever source to get. Then go the source that best suits your needs.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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In a good quality poultry show, one that has other birds that are of at least decent quality. Ideal birds don't stand a chance. Go with another hatchery if you want something that looks similar.

Birds from breeders don't have to be expensive. I'm selling some SQ Blue Langshan eggs right now for $10 and have had two people retract bids. It's not from MY lack of trying to get the birds out there.

Rod my apologies ahead of time.

When you sell show quality eggs do you guarantee show quality birds from those eggs? Is that all that is necessary to win shows, just buy some SG eggs hatch them and enter and win?

I accidentally acquired Aus show quality Coronation and light sussex. They were supposed to be another breed. As the breeder told me and I agree I hit the lottery. Some of his birds have gone for $1000 to $4000 USD. When I breed these birds I WILL NOT list them as SQ even if my birds were to win a show this still would not be true of the chicks.

You know yourself you put more work into winning with a bird than just buying a egg. The BIG POINT here is Ideal does NOT advertise SQ, and nobody has ever got stung by buying from them. I have been stung by a so called SQ breeder. If anybody is going to sell me SQ eggs they better have the ribbons for those particular rooster and pullets to prove it.

Again I don't want a hot and heavy debate as Ideal does not sell SG chicks. They mislead none.

No debate necessary! I am just going to state that just because the birds producing the offspring are show quality, does NOT mean the chicks will be show quality. Genetics are a crap-shoot at best. But there is a MUCH higher chance of getting more show quality birds from show quality parents than there is of getting a show quality bird from hatchery or production stock chicks that are not bred towards a standard.

I believe it is the purchaser's responsibility to realize that we breeders cannot control genetics and tell which genes to align. We are at the mercy of the genes of the birds and cannot guarantee anything. But, like I said, a person who at least knows the breed and breeds for conformation can almost guarantee a better chance at getting show birds than a person or hatchery with production birds.

There is a purpose for hatcheries. I'm not saying that. I have no vendetta against hatcheries. I started out with hatchery birds and somewhere along the way became mesmerized by exhibition stock. (It was not a hard transition thanks to helpful breeders!

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[rodriguezpoultry]

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LOL! Tell me about it!!!

I do have some "updated" photos though! I'm honestly not expecting any eggs until they are 9 months old...they just reached 6 months not too long ago. So HOPEFULLY they'll start squeezing them out!

I see wattlage!!!

 

[ChickenWisperer]

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Even though Barred is probably my least favorite color, those birds are GORGEOUS! The roo is just stunning.

 

[amazondoc]

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DANG, how'd you manage that?? I know which breeder they must have come from, but how'd he manage to send you the wrong eggs??

 

[walkswithdog]

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LOL! Tell me about it!!!

I do have some "updated" photos though! I'm honestly not expecting any eggs until they are 9 months old...they just reached 6 months not too long ago. So HOPEFULLY they'll start squeezing them out!

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/jrsygntbrdr1/Poultry/Mikaela190.jpg?t=1244226342
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g259/jrsygntbrdr1/Poultry/Mikaela191.jpg?t=1244226373

I see wattlage!!!

OMG!!! They really are coming along GREAT!!! Oh yay... grow babies grow! Now lay darn ya! Ponder may not be show quality but she layed at straight up 20 weeks like she knew the date. I love barred rocks... oh dance, grow girls grow!