Question about Cinnamon Queen hybrids?

[ccmarie]

Yeah, I know it only works for the first generation. I had assumed they were because I also have a black star who looks just like a female Black Star should, and the other two seemed like Cinnamon queens. I guess I'll have to be patient and wait... I thought having all females might be too good to be true.

 

[Smoochie]

My guess is that they are second generation.. Who buys eggs from a hatchery and then turns around and sells them. They an only be " fresh" for so long.... Two trips in the mail and they still hatched.

 

[ccmarie]

I guess I'm too naive. The blue marans I got in the same batch came out of very light-colored eggs too. Well, I'm just trying to start a backyard flock, so mixes aren't a major setback.

Here's a few pics of the chicks in question as day-olds. Here's the black star...


And one Cinnamon queen




And here's the other

 

[ccmarie]

The Marans are all blue though, like the description said. You'd think, if she wasn't really breeding honestly, they would have turned out some black and splash colored marans too. And if she knew how to cross to get the blue color, wouldn't she have known about crossing sex-links?
The double shipping thing crossed my mind. I wondered if she was breeding her own hybrids, crossing the wyandottes and new hampshires to get the Cinnamon queens... but I guess probably not.

 

[donrae]

I hate to point this out but if they're second generation there's no guarantee those reddish chicks are female. Sorry.

 

[ccmarie]

Yeah, I know. I'm going to keep an eye on the combs-- Cinnamon queens are a mix of Wyandottes and New Hampshires, which have pea and single combs, so you'd expect the first generation to have pea combs (but pictures always show them with single combs... am I doing something wrong?), and the second generation to have a mix of pea and single.

 

[ccmarie]

Oh, I guess they have rose combs, not pea combs, but the same thing applies. Why do all the pics I see of Cinnamon queens have single combs when genetically they should have rose combs?

 

[Fred's Hens]

Your supposition that a rose comb in used in making Cinnamon Queens likely faulty.

I've had all kinds of red sex links and have never seen a rose combed bird, not even in subsequent generations. On the various hatchery websites, all kinds of statements are made about which birds were used in making them. I've seen Rhode Island Red over Rhode Island White stated lots of times. Do those claims hold any water?

The problem is that the supposed "RIR" is typically a production red, which means he likely has Brown Leghorn blood to boost production. Secondly, the Rhode Island White is virtually extinct. If all the hatcheries that claimed to use RIW in their sex link parent stock likewise sold true Rhode Island White, then there might be some element of truth in the statement, but almost none do. Further, whenever some hatchery does show the supposed Rhode Island White, guess what? A single comb!!! Marvel of marvels, as the true RIW has a rose comb. What hatcheries use is most likely a silver/white bird of an unknown (to us) mix.

Bottom line? There are no breed police running around, so the hatcheries can say just about anything they want to say about what a Golden Comet, a Cinnamon Queen, a Red Star, a Golden Buff, yada, yada, yada. It's mostly just marketing. The word "breed" is thrown around far too freely.

 

[ccmarie]

Well, all of my Cinnamon queens have small combs and no wattles so far, at 4.5 weeks old. The lightest one is growing brown feathers on his breast, and he's something of a runt--not as well feathered as the others.

 

[Syerf]

My guess is that they are second generation.. Who buys eggs from a hatchery and then turns around and sells them. They an only be " fresh" for so long.... Two trips in the mail and they still hatched.

however if the cinnamon queens were second generation wouldn't all their offspring be white?