Question on dead chick, picture included

[AmericanMom]

Okay. Well humidity actually helps to draw out moisture if done correctly.

I honestly have never heard that

@WVduckchick has lots of experience with shipped egg hatching. She definitely can help you the next incubation..

Thank you!! I just ordered more.. I didnt order that many the first time to see if I could hatch them so this next go around hopefully will complete my new coop plans for the coming year.

 

[dougieee]

And I hatched them all upright in an egg carton, I knew laying them down, especially the ones with saddled air cells could cause them to drown, this was one thats air cell looked pretty good and I didnt worry as much about it, now looking back and knowing it drowned it didnt lose enough moisture.. I had marked the ones with extreme dips and those although gave me the most concern were the first ones to hatch.. I will be ordering one more batch from this seller, to start by the end of next week.. All in all I think the rate was pretty good but am so sad I could have helped this one sooner!

Im almost certain it may be related, i hatched shipped eggs and successfully hatched nine of twelve upright BUT the other three were fully formed but drowned after pipping, i know that my temp and humidity were spot on.
Interestingly one of the nine i helped hatch, i noticed almost immediately it was blowing liquid bubbles from its nostrils, i held it head down and three fairly large drips came from its mouth so i suspect its lungs were also full of flluid and would have drowned too had i not intervened.

 

[AmericanMom]

Im almost certain it may be related, i hatched shipped eggs and successfully hatched nine of twelve upright BUT the other three were fully formed but drowned after pipping, i know that my temp and humidity were spot on.
Interestingly one of the nine i helped hatch, i noticed almost immediately it was blowing liquid bubbles from its nostrils, i held it head down and three fairly large drips came from its mouth so i suspect its lungs were also full of flluid and would have drowned too had i not intervened.

Thank you so much!! no matter how many times you hatch there always is a "new" experience, thats why BYC is without a doubt the best place to find answers! I just ordered another set of eggs and will go into this batch a bit more wise. Thanks to everyone who had the answers I sought!

 

[WVduckchick]

I’m curious, what breed of chicks?

I have lots of theories on shipped eggs, saddled air cells, etc. Nothing I can really prove, because like you say, something “new” will still crop up. But my guess would be air from a saddled section got trapped inside with the chick, as it started to rotate, causing the bubbles, and possibly causing the death. Or I’ve seen them get somewhat tangled in the loose pieces of the membrane (from a saddle or spot where the membrane didn’t reattach to the shell) and not be able to get past it. But even non-shipped chicks have been known to quit mid-zip.

Did you happen to notice any bubbles in the air cell early on? I mean, like the air cell wasn’t just saddled, but split? I’ve gotten eggs where the air cell has bubbles around it from the shaking of the eggs during shipping. I’ve had some of those develop, but always quit before hatch time.

always an adventure with shipped eggs! Good luck with your next group.

 

[dougieee]

I’m curious, what breed of chicks?

I have lots of theories on shipped eggs, saddled air cells, etc. Nothing I can really prove, because like you say, something “new” will still crop up. But my guess would be air from a saddled section got trapped inside with the chick, as it started to rotate, causing the bubbles, and possibly causing the death. Or I’ve seen them get somewhat tangled in the loose pieces of the membrane (from a saddle or spot where the membrane didn’t reattach to the shell) and not be able to get past it. But even non-shipped chicks have been known to quit mid-zip.

Did you happen to notice any bubbles in the air cell early on? I mean, like the air cell wasn’t just saddled, but split? I’ve gotten eggs where the air cell has bubbles around it from the shaking of the eggs during shipping. I’ve had some of those develop, but always quit before hatch time.

always an adventure with shipped eggs! Good luck with your next group.

I didnt notice bubbles as such but the air cells were completely free floating to the top no matter what position the egg was in which is why i took the decision to hatch up right and move them only minimally.
So was the drowning the result of the lack of movement, upright hatch or the fact that the eggs were just in bad condition after being shipped? I just havent done enough shipped egg hatches to find out, i only did those one because i wanted to add lavender araucanas for the blue eggs as my pet project is breeding for egg colour.

 

[AmericanMom]

I’m curious, what breed of chicks?

I have lots of theories on shipped eggs, saddled air cells, etc. Nothing I can really prove, because like you say, something “new” will still crop up. But my guess would be air from a saddled section got trapped inside with the chick, as it started to rotate, causing the bubbles, and possibly causing the death. Or I’ve seen them get somewhat tangled in the loose pieces of the membrane (from a saddle or spot where the membrane didn’t reattach to the shell) and not be able to get past it. But even non-shipped chicks have been known to quit mid-zip.

Did you happen to notice any bubbles in the air cell early on? I mean, like the air cell wasn’t just saddled, but split? I’ve gotten eggs where the air cell has bubbles around it from the shaking of the eggs during shipping. I’ve had some of those develop, but always quit before hatch time.

always an adventure with shipped eggs! Good luck with your next group.

Hi!
These are
Bielefelder's.. shipped from Chicago to Oregon...I didnt notice any air bubbles but I might not have recognized what I was seeing either, I never saw the air cell split, I have seen photos of that and was for sure looking for it.
When I candled the eggs upon arrival to check for cracks and the shape of the air cells they were all of course detached, I dont remember thinking wow, thats a saddled air cell, for my inexperienced eye I wasnt able to really notice that until we were into incubation about 7 days.. This egg and two other eggs tho after starting to incubate were the ones that looked "most normal" as far as development, air cell wasnt saddled and was the quickest to reattach itself. Now looking back only one egg of the three with this type aircell hatched, this one started and stopped, one didnt even start and the other did fine.
I will be getting another shipment this coming week and my hope is that I can number each egg and keep a record of what it looks like (maybe even with photo's of candling) and thus maybe help to figure out how to either correct or plan for this issue going forward.

 

[AmericanMom]

I didnt notice bubbles as such but the air cells were completely free floating to the top no matter what position the egg was in which is why i took the decision to hatch up right and move them only minimally.
So was the drowning the result of the lack of movement, upright hatch or the fact that the eggs were just in bad condition after being shipped? I just havent done enough shipped egg hatches to find out, i only did those one because i wanted to add lavender araucanas for the blue eggs as my pet project is breeding for egg colour.

Same here.. There were a couple I couldnt find the aircell at all, I now wonder if this wasnt one of them?
I did hatch them upright but had them in the turner for the first 18 days, nomatter how I tried I couldnt work out a system of turning the egg upright that I was comfortable with.. The majority of them did fine in the turner and the air cells all attached..