Raising our New Zealand Meat Rabbits *Start to finish - Birth to processing* Possible Graphic pics*

I believe they're different breeds yes. As meat rabbits both the calis and NZs are sold a lot here as meat or meat breeders. As is a nz/cali cross. I do not know why. Sizes and growth rate possibly? Chocolate probably knows... :)
 
Lulz, suddenly I am the bunny expert? I guess I do kind of over research these things...

Californians are a slightly smaller breed with a slightly lighter bone structure. They tend to grow a tad slower but have a better ratio of bone to meat.
NZW rabbits are more commercially grown because they grow a bit faster. For a back yard breeder the difference wont be particularly relevant. We are talking differences of an ounce here or there.

The reason to cross them is because they are the two best meat rabbits in the world but distinct breeds. Because of this the offspring often get hybrid vigor (or grow bigger, fatser) but because they are closely related the offspring are consistant and often breed true producing a rabbit with a n inbetween meat to bone ratio without sacrificing size or growth rate. The hybrid vigor only effects the first generation so its common to cross them and I have heard the crosses are some of the best meat rabbits in the world and some people claim there's a difference in meat like they are softer meat and taste better.

As for the colors, I am not really on the upitty up with rabbits genetically but... The gene that produces REW is the gene that determines the colors like sables or chinchillsa too. Each darker color is dominant over a lighter color. Californians or pointed are dominant to the REW of the NZW, which you are correct, it is a complete lack of pigment. Any other color will be dominant to Californian.

Some Californians look a little grey. Sometimes the black on Californians is temperature sensitive and can change depending on what conditions they're raised in. :p Derp!

Hope that helps! ARBA says they're different breeds too.
 
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See? Told u :p
Better answer than " I think so" lol
Lulz, suddenly I am the bunny expert? I guess I do kind of over research these things...

Californians are a slightly smaller breed with a slightly lighter bone structure. They tend to grow a tad slower but have a better ratio of bone to meat.
NZW rabbits are more commercially grown because they grow a bit faster. For a back yard breeder the difference wont be particularly relevant. We are talking differences of an ounce here or there.

The reason to cross them is because they are the two best meat rabbits in the world but distinct breeds. Because of this the offspring often get hybrid vigor (or grow bigger, fatser) but because they are closely related the offspring are consistant and often breed true producing a rabbit with a n inbetween meat to bone ratio without sacrificing size or growth rate. The hybrid vigor only effects the first generation so its common to cross them and I have heard the crosses are some of the best meat rabbits in the world and some people claim there's a difference in meat like they are softer meat and taste better.

As for the colors, I am not really on the upitty up with rabbits genetically but... The gene that produces REW is the gene that determines the colors like sables or chinchillsa too. Each darker color is dominant over a lighter color. Californians or pointed are dominant to the REW of the NZW, which you are correct, it is a complete lack of pigment. Any other color will be dominant to Californian.

Some Californians look a little grey. Sometimes the black on Californians is temperature sensitive and can change depending on what conditions they're raised in. :p Derp!

Hope that helps! ARBA says they're different breeds too.
 
Angel, really anyone could know what I know. I have spent a long time doing research, but it wasn't particularly difficult to do. As a kid I was homeschooled by my mom who cant even remember her highschool classes... So I would ask a question and the answer would be "Look it up!". I know everything I know because I had a question and looked up the answer... So it cant be that hard to know things! Most knowledge can be obtained through a bit of research!

I will grant that I know genetics a smidge better than the average person because I spent a year dedicating myself to studying coat color genetics in dogs for a project I gave myself. But even that was all for funsies.
 
Ditto, I was home schooled, do tons of research myself still, imma a sponge for knowledge, keeps the mind sharp. I have a lot of knowledge with a lot of creatures, I love to share. Just new to rabbits on a breeding level lol

I've been addicted to nature most of my life, started with the less popular creatures (i have a thing for the underdogs in life lol) Planned on being a vet, did a year apprentice as vet tech and hated it. So much death and I thought we'd be saving. We were...but not as often as I believed :( most was check ups and shots but it would just break my heart having families drop off animals they raised to be put down because they needed meds or a surgery the owners couldn't afford. I'd cry on my way home some days. Too much empathy I suppose? So I got into rescue and my own creature adventures.
I bred large constrictors for many years, changed up to birds & fish for awhile and did predator rescues for a few years in Cali. I love insects and the gardens.
Have note books packed with odd tidbits of info.
Now we are lovin the farm life learnin as we go, without yours and others advice we'd be less well off on this goal :)
But in my adventures, mis-information was everywhere! Best advice comes from those actually hands on doing it :)

You are the rabbit guru here lol my brain is busy with chickens at the moment.
 
Wow, I had a somewhat similar progression... I wanted to be a vet, but after working with vets for a while I found out that I knew my animals and when they were well or not better than any vet ever did. I brought in a puppy to a vet once and brought up the fact that it had a runny nose and was brushed off.... The next week it died of an infection in the resperitory system in my arms. The infection had gotten so bad it had spread rapidly to her bones. If I'd just gone with my gut, looked up the right dosage for antibiotics and ordered some online I could have treated that dog myself and could still have her alive. These days if my animals are sick I either go to the emergency vet if it's bad enough or I treat them myself. Mostly I do prevention and keep my animals healthy than have to treat for anything.

I decided there was no point in going into a profession with 10 years of schooling to be so concerned about meeting my quota of visits for the day that animals died. So I wanted to breed animals without filling shelters and then suddenly raising animals for food fell into my lap and I never looked back! I'd already owned rabbits in a pet setting for years and cared for them in a pet store for a long while. It felt like the natural progression. Plus I have always wanted to live out in the country.

Honestly, the learning curve for rabbits is pretty easy. I have to say they're the easiest animals I've ever dealt with! And there sure is a lot of misinformation. Some of the things people say are pretty nutsy to me!
 
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Stupid question, are californians pretty much the same as nz white rabbits? We are having a wee disagreement here in nz. I think they are completely different. Nzw are albino and have no pigment, right?
The New Zealand breed (which probably originated in the U.S, maybe even California) dates back to the early 1900's. The original color was red, not white; the whites came later. During the 1920's, a breeder crossed a Himalayan rabbit (the origin of the "pointed" coloration) with Chinchillas, NZW's, and I think a couple of others to create the Californian. The two breeds are both commercial in type (meat rabbits), but there are slight differences in things like bone structure and ear length (in addition to the coloring) which make the two breeds identifiably different in the show room. The thing is, not everybody that raises rabbits is doing so with a copy of the breed standard in hand, lol. Most of the people who are commercial breeders are much more concerned with how a doe produces than they are with how she'd do on a show table. Outcrosses are done all the time for a variety of reasons, and type can vary quite a bit even in purebreds. Some people assume that anything that has a completely white pelt is a NZ, and anything that has pink eyes and a smudge of color on the nose and ears is a Californian. Slaughterhouses prefer white rabbits, and will pay slightly more for them than they will for colored animals. There are a few other breeds that come in white (not all of which are recognized by the ARBA) which may get called a NZW when you see them at an auction or in a back yard. If an animal comes from a reputable breeder who keeps good records and pedigrees, you can be reasonably sure that an animal is a "pure" Californian or New Zealand. Otherwise, it's a bit of a crap shoot. Even within the breed, there is a certain amount of variability, so whether one particular Cali dresses out with a better meat-to-bone ratio than one particular New Zealand isn't a guarantee. On average, the Cali does give you slightly more meat than the NZ in rabbits of the same live weight.

New Zealand Whites are a color called the Ruby-eyed White. REW is the true albino, with no color being produced in the coat. Californians are a color known as Himi or Pointed White. Himi is a near albino, being a mostly white rabbit with pink eyes. At birth, REW's and Himi's are indistinguishable, being completely pink babies. As they start to grow fur, Himi's usually appear completely white. Himi coloration is temperature dependent. In areas where the rabbit's skin is slightly cooler (ears, nose, tail, feet) the Himi can produce dark pigment. By the time Himi babies get their eyes open, they usually will have at least a little color showing on the tips of their ears. As the Himi grows, so does the area of color, with the adult having fully colored ears, feet, and tail. If something occurs to allow the skin to be cooler than normal, a Himi may show dark pigment in other areas, too. For example, Himi does often have dark spots on their dewlaps because fur pulling for nest making allowed the skin to cool a little bit until the fur grew in again.

Both REW and Himi occur in the C series. The Himi coloring of the Californian is dominant to the REW of the NZW. Several of the alleles in the C series show a cumulative effect, with a rabbit that has two copies showing more of the pattern than one that has one of that allele, and one that is recessive to it. The Himi allele is a perfect example. All of the Californians that you will see at a rabbit show have two copies of the Himi allele. They have fully colored ears and large blotches of color on their noses. Cross one of those to a NZW, and all of the babies will have one copy of Himi(ch), and one of REW(c). NZW/Cali crosses still have the dark markings on the points, but they aren't as intense as those of pure Cali's. This is most obvious on the nose, where the marking is often no bigger than the rabbit's nose. However, smaller/fainter markings don't necessarily mean a rabbit that has only one Himi allele. Because the markings are a result of skin temperature, Himi patterned rabbits typically show more color during cooler weather, and the markings will fade some and shrink during hot weather.
 
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Hi.
I just wanted to say nice thread :) Lots of information.

I used to raise rabbits for 10 yrs. Then we moved to our 2 acres and had no place for my bunnies. I had
about 20 breeding does. I sold rabbits for pets, breeding stock and meat. I had to sell my herd.

For over 20 yrs, I had no rabbits. I started with chickens just over 5 yrs ago and now have 60 hens and sell eggs.
End of June I got gifted with 3 rabbits. Son was supposed to take them. He said he had too many critters of his own.
I had to find housing for rabbits. It was a scramble. The does came here pregnant.
I raised up the 2 litters and kept 4 daughters. I now had my mini rex herd started :)

Well I ended up being a rabbit magnet. OOPS .......
I built all my stacking units myself. I have mini rex, californians and mini lops. My primary herd.
I have several NZ does and a bunch of mixed does. My big NZ is bred to the californian.
I seem to do good with selling babies. The current 2 litters, I already have 4 babies spoken for.
These 2 mixed does are fostering 6 babies for me. The 5 calis I will keep the females. The NZW one is sold.

The rabbits keep me smiling :)
 

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