Ranting about horrible mix breeding between all animals no matter what the animal is

[chickentrains]

I don't really want to get involved in this, but with things like this I can't help but to share my opinions.

There is an overpopulation problem with dogs(and cats, etc). There are the few responsible breeders, and then the other ones who keep breeding more puppies. At the same time there are also a bunch of people who can't keep their dogs because of various reasons, and some are because the dog is problematic. (The problematic dogs csn end up in shelters. That is why it csn be risky.) Both these things keep making more and more dogs that need homes. So I think that you shouldn't support the breeding businesses when there are already so many ownerless animals. I support kill shelters (as long as the animals are kept in humane conditions), because with so many homeless dogs it is impossible to be able to find them all homes. I have bought from breeders before, and have nothing against people that do so. Although I think that if breeding stopped (PLEASE! IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDERS, STOP!), the population of those dogs in need of homes would decrease. The ideal thing would be that all irresponsible breeders be stopped and the good ones continue. ...but I don't know how that would work.

Yes, okay. That is probably extremely confusing and full of weird rambling. But... yeah.

There are actually a lot of reputable breeders! I love poodles, so i can tell you of 10 people Id trust to give me a dog

But I do agree! Irresponsible breeders should be stopped! people should rescue or find a reputable breeder

 

[chickentrains]

I don't agree. Our dog, a mutt (lab mix), was a "shelter dog" that we found as a puppy. Seven years later, he has been the BEST dog we could ever ask for. He has lived with a frumpy cat and a skittish bunny, and now chicks, with no issues at all, not a single one. Raised him with our children and when we added our youngest, it was perfection.

I worked for years at an upscale grooming "salon" and encountered many pure breds with poor temperaments. Or worst yet, the owners who liked the idea of a specific breed but did not put forth any effort to train their dog (or just, you know, BRUSH them). They wanted them to look gorgeous, would shell out the money ($100+ a week/bi-weekly,ect.) to keep them looking and smelling wonderful, but paid zero mind to how they were actually behaving.

The AKC has hundreds of rescues. If you google "AKC rescue", you can browse by breed, check out the link for Boxers. There are so many for adoption, it's a sad state. I will say, a reputable breeder has it's place in this world, but making blanket statements about breeders is discounting the plethora of pure bred dogs in rescues at this very moment. I know not all shelter dogs make a good companion for certain homes. It's all troubling for bleeding hearts, like me, who want to see all dogs live a full, productive, healthy and happy life.

I like what you've said here,

although I would like to add, just because your one rescue has a even temperment, that doesn't go to say all rescues have a even temperment.

and pure breds aren't better, well bred pure breeds are. Of course ANY dog will be a handful if not trained, but a well bred pure bred won't have genetic issues, like aggression, anxiety, and genetic disease.

 

[black_cat]

I have no issue with shelter dogs and mixes, as well as no issue with responsible breeders. What's important is picking the right dog for you.

 

[Bigtom Turkey]

I don't agree. Our dog, a mutt (lab mix), was a "shelter dog" that we found as a puppy. Seven years later, he has been the BEST dog we could ever ask for. He has lived with a frumpy cat and a skittish bunny, and now chicks, with no issues at all, not a single one. Raised him with our children and when we added our youngest, it was perfection.

I worked for years at an upscale grooming "salon" and encountered many pure breds with poor temperaments. Or worst yet, the owners who liked the idea of a specific breed but did not put forth any effort to train their dog (or just, you know, BRUSH them). They wanted them to look gorgeous, would shell out the money ($100+ a week/bi-weekly,ect.) to keep them looking and smelling wonderful, but paid zero mind to how they were actually behaving.

The AKC has hundreds of rescues. If you google "AKC rescue", you can browse by breed, check out the link for Boxers. There are so many for adoption, it's a sad state. I will say, a reputable breeder has it's place in this world, but making blanket statements about breeders is discounting the plethora of pure bred dogs in rescues at this very moment. I know not all shelter dogs make a good companion for certain homes. It's all troubling for bleeding hearts, like me, who want to see all dogs live a full, productive, healthy and happy life.

I am not saying all are, however, shelter dogs are FAR more likley to have behavorial problems then a breeder's dog.

 

[CharcoalDragon]

No one of sound reasoning likes puppy mills or backyard hobbyists/money making endeavorists, who are far and away different from reputable breeders. Not the same, at all.

Please assume every usage of 'breeder' in my post from here on out is preceded by 'reputable' and 'responsible', because anything less is not truly a 'breeder' to me.

There are awesome dogs to be found in shelters, however, if you go with a breeder you are stacking the deck in your favor. You are more likely to bring home an animal that meshes with your lifestyle well and that you are capable of giving the best life possible.

Dog breeders should be:
-Willing to take their animal back, under any circumstance, for any reason.
-Have it in their contract that the dog will under no circumstance end up in a shelter, or change hands from the original owner. The breeder will insist on taking over the rehoming process.
-Practicing ENS/Puppy Culture.
-Able to give valid reasons and explanations as to why they chose this pairing.
-Making sure their breeding dogs are both physically and mentally healthy. They will not use dogs that have unstable temperaments.
-Actively working to improve the health of their breed.
-Practicing breed-appropriate health testing (Embark doesn't really count), even on dogs they don't plan to keep in their program. This helps them know what issues might be in their lines.
-Keeping an eye on the genetic diversity of their breed, as well as the coefficient of inbreeding- and working to improve it as needed.
-Wanting to meet you and your household, as well as other dogs in your household.
-Insistent, or at least willing, to match a puppy to you and your household.
-Timing litters responsibility, in order to have homes (or breed quality homes) for their puppies.
-Not breeding dogs too young, nor too old (breed dependant, generally 2-7 years of age), and has a limit of how many times a bitch will be used in her lifetime (breed dependant, generally 1-5 litters).
-Will tell you "no, thank you" if they don't think their lines, or their breed, is a match for you. (E.g. They won't allow a working dog to go home to a couch potato family.)
-Welcoming your questions, and willing to let you come meet their dogs.

I'm sure there's more, but these are the first ones that came to mind. If you're looking into getting a dog from someone, and they're not doing most, if not all, of these things, I'd keep looking.

As you can see, the bar, as well as the costs of care and labor are high. Chances are, you won't get this for $300USD on CraigsList. Expect $1,500-$3,500USD, depending on the breed and purpose of the dog.

Countries with strict dog breeding regulations/licenses are actually having to import strays from other countries to meet demands because there are so few irresponsibly created dogs. Breeders do not create shelter dogs, hobbyists/quick-buck people do.

 

[Bigtom Turkey]

I agree^

 

[Bigtom Turkey]

Yet one more reason not to go to a shelter:
https://blog.dogsbite.org/2020/07/125-behavior-terms-for-shelter-dogs-decoded.html

 

[Kk Augy]

Any dog is my fave even mixes

 

[SulkyBantam]

I have a 'hybrid' dog and she's the sweetest ever.

OP, I'm sure you have a reason for your opinion.

But I myself encourage people to buy shelter dogs rather than pet shop 'purebred therefore better' dogs whenever possible .

 

[ButtonHoarder]

I have to say the opposite, the shelter is the LAST place to look for dogs. They often have many behavioral issues. Where as a breeder (talking about the good ones, not the the bellybuttons around) Often has nicer dogs that have a more even temperament.

That is true, however it is not their fault they’re there. I’d rather rescue a dog that needs more time and patients, than support a breeder who is just adding more dogs to this world, because there is obviously too many dogs already if people are killing them at shelters.