Rantings to stop eating Free Range eggs~ please respond !

[Chickielady]

Extreme animal rights organizations get money because they show people horrible pictures of suffering animals. They do not get large amounts of money because people agree with their goals. I know lots of vegetarians. Most of them do not think that any use of animals is exploitive and evil in and of itself. Most don't think pets should be eliminated or that use of bees, etc should not happen.

Rational people know that most of our fruits are bee pollinated. There are not enough wild bees in the world to provide food for everyone. Rational people know that only the affluent can be so picky as not to touch products made from animals. Rational people know that the world will not embrace a vegan lifestyle. Anyone who says that being vegan isn't a choice isn't being honest with themselves.

This sort of extreme animal rights is virtually a religion. It's believers do not need facts, they only need belief. And like other religions, you can't argue with true believers.

Very well said.

 

[animallover505]

I'm sorry, but she is crazy!

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Oh, haha, guys, the first rule of animal sanctuary thing is you do not talk about animal sanctuary was just a play of a Fight Club quote. I couldn't resist because it is bordering on the BYC do not talk about AR rule.

 

[sourland]

I'm sorry, but she is crazy!

As are many of us.

Foolish, illogical, and naive is another story.

"Just sayin'".

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Excellent post Mom'sFolly (as usual)!

There is something I keep hearing on this thread that is untrue though. The idea that vegetarians and vegans *only* exist amid the upperclass Western societies is incorrect. There actually are several vegetarian and vegan non-wealthy tribes and cultures in Asia alone.

One of the more extreme vegetarian groups that comes to mind is the Bishnoi. I personally respect them despite their very strict views, because they keep to an area of land...they do not attempt to convert the entire world, and because they so strongly fight and live what they preach.

The Brok-pa come to mind for veganism.

But I have to agree that within the US, there are clear economic divides as to what people tend to eat, and can afford (or are capable of growing).

 

[Gomes Bantams]

The point I agree with is that even though free range hens are well treated, their male counterparts may be inhumanely slaughtered at birth.  I think this is true and though I bought chicks from a hatchery so that I could have "humane" eggs, I did feel bad that the male chicks that I didn't buy were probably euthanized inhumanely.

Now my goal is to hatch my own chickens from here on out and allow the males to range freely.  But that is a luxury not everyone has.  It is a tricky subject for people who are very invested in animal rights and don't think that any animals should be killed for food purposes.

The thing about the males, my neighbor(65) orders 100 roosters from three different hatcheries so she saves alot of males from harm.

 

[mom'sfolly]

You're right Punk, there are poorer communities that embrace veganism.

Like many of the religious, animal rights group also evangelize. I was recently at the Van's Warped Tour, a concert event aimed at 14-25 year-olds. The only outside groups I saw there were KIA, who helped sponser the event, Trojan (their target audience) and PETA2. The animal rights group was paying kids to watch one of their videos, handing out flyers and giving away goodies.

 

[thaiturkey]

Excellent post Mom'sFolly (as usual)!

There is something I keep hearing on this thread that is untrue though. The idea that vegetarians and vegans *only* exist amid the upperclass Western societies is incorrect. There actually are several vegetarian and vegan non-wealthy tribes and cultures in Asia alone.

One of the more extreme vegetarian groups that comes to mind is the Bishnoi. I personally respect them despite their very strict views, because they keep to an area of land...they do not attempt to convert the entire world, and because they so strongly fight and live what they preach.

The Brok-pa come to mind for veganism.

But I have to agree that within the US, there are clear economic divides as to what people tend to eat, and can afford (or are capable of growing).

I know plenty of Asian vegetarians here but no vegans as defined on that blog. The Bishnoi have a strict code but don't claim to be vegans and don't appear to be vegans by the definition offered to us:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishnois

 

[punk-a-doodle]

The Bishnoi are strict vegetarians, it is the Brok-pa who are said to be vegan.

 

[chickened]

Excellent post Mom'sFolly (as usual)!

There is something I keep hearing on this thread that is untrue though. The idea that vegetarians and vegans *only* exist amid the upperclass Western societies is incorrect. There actually are several vegetarian and vegan non-wealthy tribes and cultures in Asia alone.

One of the more extreme vegetarian groups that comes to mind is the Bishnoi. I personally respect them despite their very strict views, because they keep to an area of land...they do not attempt to convert the entire world, and because they so strongly fight and live what they preach.

The Brok-pa come to mind for veganism.

But I have to agree that within the US, there are clear economic divides as to what people tend to eat, and can afford (or are capable of growing).

There is talk of implementing a contraceptive program in that area of the Bishnoi people to control the population as over population threatens the core of thier environmental beliefs being able to continuing in the modern age.