Rantings to stop eating Free Range eggs~ please respond !

[FuzzyButtsFarm]

I would tell her that she is welcome to search us out and post on BYC. We have vegetarians and vegans here so why not? You don't have to "exploit" chickens to be a member and need help with raising them. And she may want/need the advice if/when she gets this Sanctuary up and running. But that's just me.

Very good point. Let her know we are open minded and willing to listen to other points of view, even though apparently she no longer wants to address ours. " I will not be approving any more comments from Backyard Chicken Forum. "
IMO If she did not want negative feedback on her Blog. She should have omitted the comment option.

 

[sourland]

I would tell her that she is welcome to search us out and post on BYC. We have vegetarians and vegans here so why not? You don't have to "exploit" chickens to be a member and need help with raising them. And she may want/need the advice if/when she gets this Sanctuary up and running. But that's just me.

This would be a logical and good thing, but since her mate, David, has labeled us as a 'cabal of yokels', I doubt that she will be joining BYC.

 

[Bunnylady]

I doubt she would, too, but not because of David. When I poked around a bit on her site, I got the impression that she saturates her mind with material that supports veganism and animal rights. She appears to endorse it with religious fervor. To join a group where many speak of "processing" birds in such a casual manner would likely be more than her sensibilities could bear!

No, I really think too many of us would be outside of her "comfort zone;" I think she would prefer to seek advice from people who are as nearly like-minded as possible. She strikes me as well-intended, but incredibly naive. I think she would rapidly weary of trying to explain why terminating the life of a bird with a chronic illness or bloodthirsty attitude is just not an option. One can only hope that she gets her feet on the ground, and develops a greater grasp of the realities of livestock keeping, before she attempts it. Having the goal of rescuing animals from a life of abuse is very noble, but the animal you "rescue" may flog, trample, or gore you, just the same.

 

[ladyrsanti]

You're right, they wouldn't join but I had to say it.

The other thing that is worthy of mention and I'm not sure anyone has (forgive me if you have and I missed it. I stopped reading the comments shortly after David appeared) is her mission to end the domestication of all animals. I can't even begin to wrap my head around this thinking when so many plants and animals domesticate themselves for survival. Has anyone watched 'Botany of Desire'? I think you can still watch it online (http://video.pbs.org/video/1283872815/). It's a great documentary about how natural selection has helped certain plants not only survive but thrive, ensuring their species' prosperity. The ability to change genetics to aid in survival is not a human invention. We have adapted and done pretty well for ourselves but many, many plants AND ANIMALS have done the same and continue to do it, working off of each other in the process. The show used apples and flowers as examples. Apples used to be all but inedible to humans (not that long ago) and through genetic variances and slick adaptation on the plant's behalf and careful selection on ours, we now have tasty apples and apples have secured their own survival, as have we. Win-win. If they were not open to these variances, they would go unchanged and both parties would potentially suffer or at least not benefit. It's worked for flowers, vegetables and it's worked for dogs and cats too. Wild animals learned, CHANGED, to team up with humans for survival - sometimes on their own terms - and it's worked out pretty good for both sides. It is true that humans are partially responsible but it's a two-way street and a long one from wild animal to a working relationship (or "slavery" as a vegan sees it) but we also may not be here if we hadn't domesticated. Maybe that's what they wish, I don't know. Either way, what she's attempting to do is mess with the nature of things. It's impossible for her and others like her to stop domestication entirely, even if she convinced the world, when it is a natural occurrence. Again, naivete.

Feel free to delete this post if it is offensive in any way.

 

[Mattemma]

Botany of desire was good!

 

[mom'sfolly]

There is increasing evidence that cats domesticated themselves. Cats know a good thing when they see it. A warm house, grooming, attention, free rodents, and a safe place to sleep seemed like a good deal to them so the just moved in. We liked them, and so they stayed. Anyone who has cats know they make the choices in their world.

I wonder how these kind of extremists view animals like cats, who domesticated themselves or silk worms, which cannot survive without human interference.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/28/AR2007062802343.html

 

[flewdacoop]

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Generally, the idea behind certain animal movements is that species like silkworms should never have existed and are better off extinct, and that animals like cats, whether they sought out humans on their own terms or not, should similarly go the way of the dodo so that only their wild and free counterparts remain (oh, and humans too, but not too many volunteers from the ranks on that one...they have to stay alive to spread the good word after all) . This is why it is not unusual to see very high euthanasia rates amid some groups, for in that mindset, as it is better to offer a quick death than allow an animal to suffer the indignity and cruelty of humans.

Members and devotees of various animal movements may or may not agree with, or are aware of, goals such as these. It is not hard to find people who preach that animals should be completely separate from humans, but who run a sanctuary or have pets such as dogs. The reasoning usually is that they are just cleaning up the mess others made.

 

[Bunnylady]

I wonder how these kind of extremists view animals like cats, who domesticated themselves or silk worms, which cannot survive without human interference.

They view them as pathetic, warped creatures that really shouldn't exist, and which might even be better off dead than living such a distorted, unnatural existence. The individuals that currently draw breath must be looked after, of course, but anything that can't support itself in the natural world should be allowed to go extinct. (And yes, for the most extreme of the extreme, that does include humans).

 

[sourland]

It would be interesting to see how some who are so far removed from the natural world would survive if there were no grocery stores.