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I would love to have some nut and fruit trees, but need to research what will grow well up here for nuts. I'd love to do grapes too! I want to get some columnar apple trees since we don't have a lot of space with ideal sunlight and they don't need a ton of room. I want to get some blueberry bushes as well. We already have lots of wild blackberries around here that we can harvest, and roses for rose hips as well.
 
I have another question to add to the panel's discussion.

I have 4 chickens and 3 ducks and the green light to expand however I see fit next spring. I plan to try to hatch some ducks for table, raise some meat chickens, and expand my garden considerably.

I would also like to add some other meat birds which I would raise in tractors in my large field (mostly so I don't get attached to them and not have the fortitude to do "the deed"). I am leaning toward raising 3-4 turkeys along with the ducks and chickens. Not in the same tractor, each will have a separate tractor. I have 4 acres of overgrown field behind my house, and the egg layers and breeding trio live in the yard, which is fenced in. The tractors would be in the large field, so Turkeys would be safe from Blackhead if I manage their range properly.

I have read where some people keep Guineas in with some birds - would they be a good bird to add to my flock also? Or should I consider pheasant or quail? I am mostly interested in feed conversion. Do people house guineas with their other birds for a reason (aside from they don't seem to care too much about having a house)? I would like to raise my own ballotine/turducken for the holidays next year's Thanksgiving.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to get a cow and two pigs and a few goats for milk and fiber, but want to wait until I get the property here a bit more livable for ME before I do that. I would have to build a barn (not an insurmountable obstacle since my SO's Dad builds 3 or 4 a year with his friends to help them out) but my house needs some work before I can justify that.

I know meat rabbits are a great investment but can not get the gang on board. I make a mean braised rabbit in hunter sauce that I hope I can change their minds with over the course of this year though.
 
m.kitchengirl :

I have another question to add to the panel's discussion.

I have 4 acres of overgrown field behind my house, and the egg layers and breeding trio live in the yard, which is fenced in. The tractors would be in the large field, so Turkeys would be safe from Blackhead if I manage their range properly.

You'll have a hard time moving that tractor around if it's too "over grown". I've mostly successfully kept Turkeys and chickens in the same pens, and have for sure kept them free ranging together.

I have read where some people keep Guineas in with some birds - would they be a good bird to add to my flock also?

Guineas are my favorite bird to raise, no maintaince, no feed requirement (even if confined, literally), and great for the out of yard places.

Or should I consider pheasant or quail?

only if you plan to keep them couped 100% of the time... These two wild game species will escape and become wild animals if not confined. The Cx chickens, and the BBW turkeys are by far superior to any other species an bird for table consumption.

Do people house guineas with their other birds for a reason

Yes, our guineas remain with the chickens, and other birds.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to get a cow and two pigs and a few goats for milk and fiber,

What kind of fiber do you plan to get from a goat, other than an angora... which won't have a lick of meat on it, or won't give any more milk than a barn mouse.

I know meat rabbits are a great investment but can not get the gang on board. I make a mean braised rabbit in hunter sauce that I hope I can change their minds with over the course of this year though.

at 1 dollar each, I think that rabbits are the way to go, and plan to get some very shortly.. I think that if in a chicken tractor, and moved around the yard.. they can't each much more than grass... They sound like the best option to me-- and from what I hear, they reproduce like rabbits..

Right now, I have everything that you are wanting, minus the two pigs (in a much larger fashion)... and I can say that between my wife and I; doing chores is a full time job, it's just us.. and we're plenty busy with that plus the small garden we have. I grew up on a large farm, and so it's in my blood.. However, it's not 110% in hers-- she thinks I need limits. It's all we can do to get chores done before dark.. then come in eat, clean up and check our emails... People all the time talk of doing such antics...and more times than not they end up doing these things about half way good... I think it's easier, and better if people just stick to a few things, instead of dabbling in multiple... This isn't really geared directly at you (maybe), but in general to the many readers and spectators who'll read this...​
 
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I would love to have some nut and fruit trees, but need to research what will grow well up here for nuts. I'd love to do grapes too! I want to get some columnar apple trees since we don't have a lot of space with ideal sunlight and they don't need a ton of room. I want to get some blueberry bushes as well. We already have lots of wild blackberries around here that we can harvest, and roses for rose hips as well.

What do you do with your rose hips?
We are moving next year, most likely to the Stillwater, OK area. We hope to get about 40-80 acres. I plan to grow fruit trees, grains, vegetables and even the pasture and hay for my horses. I will have cattle, chickens, turkey, guineas and other poultry and perhaps some sort of dairy. I dont really like pigs and am not a huge prok fan so may just do without pork.Considering some sheep. I'm very excited about becoming nearly self-sufficient. We won't be off grid because both my husband and I need to be connected with computers for our jobs, plus, I don't want to do without a freezer/etc, but my goal is to produce nearly all the food for us and our animals. We will also have a well for water and hopefully a pond. I used to have a well stocked pond which provided a lot of fish meals. Will probably
I'm also considering some aquaponics with either bass or tilapia. The fish scraps will be great for the chickens.
I will also hunt for deer and other game, not only for us but for meat for the pets, who eat a raw diet.
I can hardly wait to move! Chomping at the bit! I'm wanting to get going on my heritage chickens and turkeys, a giant garden, grains and fruit. I'm so excited! Next year can hardly come fast enough!
 
Thanks for the great info. I did not feel too inclined toward quail, but the guineas seem like a great option. Since I don't know much about either I wanted some perspective before I began searching the web & library.

I do want the Angora goat (just one) for fiber, and maybe 2 others for milk. I have prepared many goats - goat posole, curried goat, etc and like the meat but I don't LOVE it.

I think it's easier, and better if people just stick to a few things, instead of dabbling in multiple... This isn't really geared directly at you (maybe), but in general to the many readers and spectators who'll read this...

I agree, and that is why I plan to wait until I have the other things I want to do under control before I add to my work load. Then I would only add one at a time - probably starting with the cow - and only 1 species a year. Next year the most I would add are 6 or so meat chickens, 3-4 turkeys and a few guineas. If I tractor them I would clear the overgrown area enough to facilitate moving them around.

My grandparents had a big farm when around the corner from my house growing up and I worked there just about everyday as a kid. I would go & just hang out in the barn & read on days when it was too rainy. I loved their 2 sheep and their cow like most kids love their best friend. As my grandfather's health declined, and after he passed, I worked in the morning before school with my Mema, then after school as well. I learned - after my grampa decided he liked his 6 layers & 10 meat birds so much he should raise 200 birds the next year - about how quickly a farm can go off the rails when the work load is grows out of control.

For now everything is in the dreams and ambitions stage, but I have two strong, healthy boys and loads of energy myself. I would only take on enough to keep us busy & tired & off the xBox. I'm also not sure I would do BOTH cows and goats. I have read that milk goats are a better time & energy investment, as well as being less expensive to feed. I also know their reputation for escaping their pasture, eating everything in sight and terrorizing the neighbors - my friend had 3 nubian goats he hated. We regularly had to chase them around the neighborhood to get them out of neighbors fields and out of the road. So, I am torn and, as I said, if I get them it would be a long way off.
I work from home as a personal chef and prepare foods from locally grown products for my clients. I deliver once a week and cook two days a week. Since I got the ducks and chickens one of my clients has opted to come pick up since she loves the ducks. They all want me to raise as much of their food as possible and are very supportive of my expansion. The other man I cook for wants to help me raise his pigs rather than getting them from the farmer I have raise them. He knows I would not get into doing so for at least 2 years but has offered to buy much of the required fencing and materials if I were to get into it. Until then (if we do it) he is perfectly content with how things are now. (Honestly, I am, too.) My oldest son spends a lot of time up the road and has fallen for the pigs though, and would love to raise his own (he thinks) so we will see.

I appreciate your perspective as I have noticed a "just get more" attitude on some websites that doesn't add up to me. I want to make sure I am the best owner I can be for each creature that I move here before expanding any further. So far, so good though, and I could add a few more - it would keep me from being on BYC so much, probably a good side effect.
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I haven't done anything with them yet, and it looks like something got most of them them this year (all shriveled and black) so I may not get much of a harvest this year.

I hope to dry some for rose hip tea, make a syrup (high in vitamin C for colds), make fruit leather and jelly. We have a lot of mature roses, so I'm just looking to forage some of the hips and try them out.
 
The missing link in your homesteading plan is a dairy animal. If you can't do a cow yet, get goats. Having a dairy animal means you can convert milk into free chicken, pork, and beef. An average Jersey will give you 3 gallons a day of sweet creamy milk to fatten up all your other livestock. And a calf every year that you can eat or sell.

When I got my first cow I wondered what on earth I'd do with 3 gallons of milk every day. I soon learned what to do with it.

I raised 25 CornishX and it didn't cost much in feed at all. I mixed their dry feed with lots of clabbered milk. I didn't keep records but if I had to guess, I'd say I only bought about 5 bags of feed for the 12 weeks I raised them. And I couldn't have done that without milk. I also used electronet from Premier1 and free ranged them a little bit. The meat is exquisite.

When I finally butchered the meaties I started giving the milk to a couple of weaner pigs to fatten them up for slaughter in a couple months. Again, it's costing us next to nothing to feed them. We raised a steer and will be butchering him before winter too.

I highly recommend the book The Self Sufficient Life by John Seymour. He calls the cow the "wellspring of health" for everyone on the farm. Our cows have definitely been the cornerstone of our farm and the key to our success with everything else. They convert grass and weeds into butter, cream, milk, cheeses, ice cream, beef, chicken, pork, and extremely healthy children. Butchers say they can tell when a pig has been raised on milk because their bones are much harder.
 
we have dairy goats and make cheese. we use some of the whey (the clear fluid left over after making cheese) but don't have a use for all of it at the moment, so it goes to our neighbor who has a pet pig. let me tell you what, that pig will positively MUG you for the whey... they love it! got another friend who raises pastured pork, they've got a deal with a local dairy that produces cheese... any excess whey they bring by the tankerload and fill a tank at the top of the pig pasture. that tank feeds a trough, and the pasture pigs can consume as much as they want. it doesn't last long... the only thing the pigs like better is beer!
hadn't tried clabbered milk on the chickens... now I will! all of a sudden meat chickens are looking practical...
no dairy cow yet... next year!
 
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Processed 63 birds today took us from 9 am until 5 but that will be enough meat for myself and the fam, my two sisters fam, my gram and my mom for quite some time. As we get better at processing we were talking about opening it up to others to come and process as well if they have birds that need to get done. I find it much easier when there is a large group and we get it all done in one day rather than taking much longer because we have fewer people and everyone gets to learn.
 
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have you had your cholestoral checked lately? I grew up on a dairy farm, milked 90-100 cows of all 6 breeds... and drank straight from the cow until I got in high school and the rest of my family began having health problems associated with that extra butterfat.. I quit, as did they...
 

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