Read this! You kids will not be able to work on your farm anymore!!

[Capvin]

My suggestion to all of you who are commenting on this is to make an attempt to read the regulation. If that is not possible then try to get an audible recording because I really think it will be difficult for any of you to write any governmental authority when you have not read what you are attempting to refer to. And, Helmet, in your case I would suspect that it would be a good idea if your kids dont drive automobiles. And ZZ, it would probably be a good idea if before you give those governmental officials a piece of your mind that you made a small attempt to figure out what you are talking about because, in your case, you are really not even close. However, I really would love to see a copy of your letter (or whatever) and the response.

 

[fried green eggs]

http://www.dol.gov/ then type in "kids working on farms" It will effect 4-H for kids under 16 because Livestock Auctions are included in this new law and no kid under 16 will be allowed to work on a farm unless it is their parents farm. Kids under 16 will not be able to work with animals or help on their grandparents farms. The Goverment wll require a 90 hour federal training program to replace 4-H and FFA's training programs.

 

[Capvin]

I am sorry but your above statement is not borne out by a careful reading of the law. In fact, the law specifically states that it does nothing to impede 4H. Show me specifically the section you are referring to before I can lend any credence to your interpretation.

To expand a bit in the hopes of putting all this nonsense to bed let me give some facts and not hysterical falsehoods:
1. A child can not only work on his parents farm without any restriction but also on the farm of any relative that acts in the place of the parent. That would include grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. All a parent has to do is give consent.
2. This regulation DOES NOT apply to any 4H participation in any of their activities regarding animals and that is so even if the animals are located on another persons farm.
3. There are exceptions for children who work as voluteers or students performing educational worlk for their own well being.
4. The regulation only prohibits children from operation heavy power driven equipment UNLESS they have completed a 90 hour safety course that is offered by any state or local educational authority. This course did not eliminate the 4H safety course..in fact, it is the 4H Safety course except that it now permits other agencies (schools, colleges) to offer the course so that it is more accessible to kids who want to operate the farm machinery. Once they take the course there is no restrictions on operating machinery.

Fried green eggs, I am sure that you meant well, but you did not get one issue correct. Please read the regulation and do not rely on other hysterical predictions of doom and gloom.

 

[chloezoebob101]

WHATEVER! I DONT CARE WHAT THEY SAY!!

 

[fried green eggs]

http://webapps.dol.gov/FederalRegister/HtmlDisplay.aspx?DocId=25286&Month=9&Year=2011 If you read between the lines you can see it will effect kids having 4-H livestock and 4-H kids are exempt only if they keep their animal at - their home. The grandparents, aunts, uncles etc is only included as a stand-in for parents IF the child lives there for extended period or time not, commutes there daily. 4-H Livestock auctions have been a target for animal rights people for years and this law states kids are banned from working at livestock auctions - well 4-H kids are working in the 4-H livestock auction. They take their animal in the sale ring and get paid when it sells.

 

[ChickChickChicky]

Capvin, you keep talking about how innocent this bill is... if that were really so, why do I keep reading the following types of statements in articles from different sources, and why are ag state senators speaking out against it?????

Clark said the regulations are vague and meddlesome.
“It’s so far-reaching,” he exclaimed, “kids would be prohibited from working on anything ‘power take-off’ driven, and anything with a work-height over six feet — which would include the tractor I’m on now.”
The way the regulations are currently written, he added, would prohibit children under 16 from using battery powered screwdrivers, since their motors, like those of a tractor, are defined as “power take-off driven.”
And jobs that could “inflict pain on an animal” would also be off-limits for kids. But “inflicting pain,” Clark explained, is left undefined: If it included something like putting a halter on a steer, 4-H and FFA animal shows would be a thing of the past.
In a letter to The Department of Labor in December, Montana Republican Rep. Denny Rehberg complained that the animal provision would also mean young people couldn’t “see veterinary medicine in practice … including a veterinarian’s own children accompanying him or her to a farm or ranch.”
Boswell told TheDC that the new farming regulations could go into effect as early as August. She claimed farmers could soon find The Labor Department’s Wage and Hour Division inspectors on their land, citing them for violations.
“In the last three years that division has grown 30 to 40 percent,” Boswell said. Some Farm Bureau members, she added, have had inspectors on their land checking on conditions for migrant workers, only to be cited for allowing their own children to perform chores that the Labor Department didn’t think were age-appropriate.
It’s something Kansas Republican Senator Jerry Moran believes simply shouldn’t happen.
During a March 14 hearing, Moran blasted Hilda Solis for getting between rural parents and their children.
“The consequences of the things that you put in your regulations lack common sense,” Moran said.
“And in my view, if the federal government can regulate the kind of relationship between parents and their children on their own family’s farm, there is almost nothing off-limits in which we see the federal government intruding in a way of life.”
The Department of Labor did not respond to repeated requests for comment.
http://news.yahoo.com/rural-kids-parents-angry-labor-dept-rule-banning-054605888.html

 

[Capvin]

I can not control the ramblings of imbeciles. You can believe that nonsensical article or you can read the regulations for yourself. What I have stated comes exactly from the regulation. What the people in that article have stated comes from some other place. Believe what you will. What you should do is get together with chickened as he cited the exact same imbecilic article in a new thread. Now I know he knows how to read so I will ask him to read the regulations also.

 

[ChickChickChicky]

I can not control the ramblings of imbeciles. You can believe that nonsensical article or you can read the regulations for yourself. What I have stated comes exactly from the regulation. What the people in that article have stated comes from some other place. Believe what you will. What you should do is get together with chickened as he cited the exact same imbecilic article in a new thread. Now I know he knows how to read so I will ask him to read the regulations also.

I am sure that the regulation is MANY pages long, full of legalese and gobbledegook that give one a headache trying to translate into plain English. Here's my general rule in life: if it ain't broke, don't fix it! WHY do we need this new regulation anyway, what purpose does it serve? Is it as useful as the regulation that outlawed my grandson's dirtbike because some of the engine parts contain lead (we ALL know that thousands of kids were dying each and every day from licking engine parts on their dirtbikes)? I am sick and tired of dumbasses (dumb-masses) in D.C. dreaming up new and varied ways to inconvenience and burden all of us. Short story, there is NO use for this regulation, so let's get rid of it. BTW, I am definitely no imbecile. Thank you kindly, though, and many happy returns to you.

 

[PDXcluck]

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[PDXcluck]

I am sure that the regulation is MANY pages long, full of legalese and gobbledegook that give one a headache trying to translate into plain English. Here's my general rule in life: if it ain't broke, don't fix it! WHY do we need this new regulation anyway, what purpose does it serve? Is it as useful as the regulation that outlawed my grandson's dirtbike because some of the engine parts contain lead (we ALL know that thousands of kids were dying each and every day from licking engine parts on their dirtbikes)? I am sick and tired of dumbasses (dumb-masses) in D.C. dreaming up new and varied ways to inconvenience and burden all of us. Short story, there is NO use for this regulation, so let's get rid of it. BTW, I am definitely no imbecile. Thank you kindly, though, and many happy returns to you.

While I somewhat agree, I also disagree. I hate regulation, unfortunately humans have proven they must be regulated. Especially rich and greedy ones. Essentially the point of the bill is to limit the chances that a child is taken advantage of in an occupational situation.

For example, if you had a kid working at a farm, and there were no regulations, and the farm owner said "go till the big hill" and your kid went to till the hill on a tractor without a roll bar and rolled the tractor and died. Then, there would be no recourse for you to seek damages, sue, etc. the farm owner for being irresponsible and sending your child to perform a task that was outside of his or her abilities.

An even more realistic reason for the regulations is for migratory farm workers employed by massive factory farms. You know if there were no regulations that the owners of a big corporate factory farm would literally work them and their children to death to pad the bottom line. It's an unfortunate side-effect of human nature and a capitalistic economic system. Regulation is necessary.