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Umm Jenifer, all this talk about high priced Sebastopols has got me curious.
Would you please clarify what people are selling Sebastopols that are priced "so high they can't afford it".
The only person I know that sells Sebastopols at high prices is Dave Holderread whom you supposedly respect so much.
I couldn't help but noticed you had nothing negative to say to the lady that bought culls from Dave Holderread.
I thought in your opinion people are suppose to only give away culls and pet quality birds but somehow
its okay for Dave H. to sell culls. Interesting.
Its really wonderful that you have such a high surplus of geese that you are able to give them away for FREE but folks
like Spectrum Ranch, myself and many others people have a feed bill that needs to be paid and we're not all married to
farmers like you are that grows crops that you can feed to your geese.
I've never made any profit on any animals I have ever raised, bred, sold and given away for FREE.
In fact I'm probably in the hole every year.
I never expect something for nothing.
I gladly pay breeders for what they have for sale.
So get off your ridiculous bandwagon that its somehow unethical or bad to sell pet quality animals.
Its getting old.
I might not be reading this right but I don't think the issue of exchanging $$ for known pet quality is the issue here nor do I see that any one individual needs to take offense and become defensive. I am quite sure that the poster with those pretty culls (meaning not suited to breed improvement) knew and understood ahead of time just what they were getting and didn't pay a price that would be consistent with the birds being well bred, good quality breeding stock. Selling pet quality as the most fabulous breeding stock to come down the pike could be an issue as that does get talked about in the real and wider world. But there's a lot about the seller's hype in regard to Sebastopols that is noticed by a number of waterfowl breeders in general. As far as feed bills etc. there is a real difference between Spectrum Ranch and folks who claim they breed as a hobby. Spectrum is running a business and must generate profit and income to survive. We all have these birds supposedly because we love them and are able to afford the luxury of a hobby. Our own may be poultry and waterfowl while others golf, go sailing, travel or whatever. The point is that we CHOOSE to have these birds and if we can't feed them without selling everything we can possibly produce for as much as can be gotten from folks with more $$$ than sense then maybe we can't afford this particular hobby. It has been stated right here on BYC that there is nothing "unethical" about wanting to be reimbursed for the time, money and effort that might get put into an animal. Absolutely not if I am in the BUSINESS of horse training, professional dog handling, dairy farming etc.. If it's my JOB I expect to be paid for my time and effort just like anyone else. At least to me a hobby is a CHOICE and for some a luxury that allows a bit of respite from whatever else life may bring us in the course of the day. I feel very thankful for the bit of time I have to devote to different interests and it never occurs to me to think I should be reimbursed for the time I choose to spend or the effort I enjoy as far as these birds are concerned. If my little goosey barn had a timeclock on the side that I could punch it'd seem too much like going to work for me. I guess we could extend this line of thought to another choice, our children, and suggest that they ought to be presented with an accounting of the time, effort and money that went into them so that we could be reimbursed for that as well. If those almighty $$$ matter that much then I wish you luck retrieving every last one of them. As far as this poster is concerned it's just a fun thing.
