Reassurance Needed Here!!

[LittleBits]

Hello! I think I just may need some reassurance here and a few questions answered more completely before I go do this! I appreciate all who may give me some more advice. So pour it on, and thanks!

July 31 - I put Wazine in their water, dumped after 24hrs. I did see (1) 2-3" roundworm in one poop - haven't seen anything since.

August 5 - Dusted chickens and coop w/ permethrin (Sevin). Haven't seen any lice or mites, but using because of all the feather loss, scratching, etc.

Today - I had made up my mind to do the 2nd worming w/ Valbazen, but a local vet suggested using Ivermectin 1%, orally. OK, so I bought some. She gave me dosages and directions. I had stopped in there to see if they had any Valbazen (MUCH closer than anywhere else I could buy it...)

Today - going to give the Ivermectin on a piece of bread to each chicken.

Questions:
1. Do I need to redust with the Sevin? I used wood ash about 1-1 1/2 months ago.
2. Since I used the Wazine, do I need to reworm after I dose them with this Ivermectin? I am suppose to bring in some random poop for her to check in 3 weeks.
3. She said throw eggs for 3 more weeks. I've already been tossing them since I dusted on July 31! Anyone eat them less than 3 weeks after treatment w/ Ivermectin? Also said not to EVER sell any eggs if I use anything that's off label.
4. Will the Ivermectin kill any and all types of worms that may be left PLUS larvae/eggs from any of the roundworms. I know the Wazine only kills adult worms.

Thanks for your help!

 

[cafarmgirl]

Interesting advice from the vet, to be honest I've learned to take what I hear from the vet about chickens with a grain of salt and go home and do a lot of research myself.

I've never heard of discarding eggs for three entire weeks after deworming. 10 to 14 days is more like it.

Also, you are indeed better off with the Valbazen, very effective wormer. Ivermectin is starting to not be very effective in chickens and many avian vets no longer recommend it. After you do this second deworming you should not need to do a third. I'd just go to a regular schedule after this based on your climate, maybe twice a year. As far as I know, no wormer kills worm eggs, not sure if any are effective on encysted larvae. But unless you think your birds are heavily infested they should be fine until you do the next routine deworming.

Something to keep in mind when doing fecal tests on birds: If the parasites are not currently shedding eggs then you can get a false negative. In order to be effective fecal testing would need to be done on a regular basis.

If you suspect your birds have/had lice or mites, yes, you need to retreat them and the coop every 7 to 10 days until the bugs are gone. Go out to the coop at night with a flashlight and check the roosts and the birds, that's when the bugs like to come out. I would treat the coop with Sevin spray since it's much easier to get it into all the little nooks and crannies the bugs like to hide in.

 

[LittleBits]

Thank you!

Where do i look on the birds for mites? Their vents? I've looked under their wings and their vents, and have never seen anything crawling on them. If there isn't anything crawling, should I still redust?

 

[cafarmgirl]

Thank you!

Where do i look on the birds for mites? Their vents? I've looked under their wings and their vents, and have never seen anything crawling on them. If there isn't anything crawling, should I still redust?

I just go through their feathers and check them all over, down to the skin, their legs, everywhere. If you are not seeing anything at all and nothing in the coop at night you may not have a problem. Maybe just keep an eye on things and see.

 

[BarredRockMom]

Interesting advice from the vet, to be honest I've learned to take what I hear from the vet about chickens with a grain of salt and go home and do a lot of research myself.

I've never heard of discarding eggs for three entire weeks after deworming. 10 to 14 days is more like it.

Also, you are indeed better off with the Valbazen, very effective wormer. Ivermectin is starting to not be very effective in chickens and many avian vets no longer recommend it. After you do this second deworming you should not need to do a third. I'd just go to a regular schedule after this based on your climate, maybe twice a year. As far as I know, no wormer kills worm eggs, not sure if any are effective on encysted larvae. But unless you think your birds are heavily infested they should be fine until you do the next routine deworming.

Something to keep in mind when doing fecal tests on birds: If the parasites are not currently shedding eggs then you can get a false negative. In order to be effective fecal testing would need to be done on a regular basis.

If you suspect your birds have/had lice or mites, yes, you need to retreat them and the coop every 7 to 10 days until the bugs are gone. Go out to the coop at night with a flashlight and check the roosts and the birds, that's when the bugs like to come out. I would treat the coop with Sevin spray since it's much easier to get it into all the little nooks and crannies the bugs like to hide in.

I agree completely, especially about the "grain of salt from the vet". Look, they're smart but unless their practice is farm centered and they have some experience with chickens, you're SO much better off researching stuff on your own. And if you count the time you're worming + 10-14 days after the last dose, I suppose you could come close to a 3 week time frame for discarding eggs. But it's going to be more like cafarmgirl said...14 days after last dose is fine. Day 15 is a huge celebration & eggs all around!!

I throw Diatemaceous Earth in the coop & run...in their boxes, their food, on the floor, and that must be doing something because I haven't had much problem with mites. It's not effective once it gets wet, but it does a number on bugs until then!

 

[dawg53]

Hello! I think I just may need some reassurance here and a few questions answered more completely before I go do this! I appreciate all who may give me some more advice. So pour it on, and thanks!

July 31 - I put Wazine in their water, dumped after 24hrs. I did see (1) 2-3" roundworm in one poop - haven't seen anything since.

August 5 - Dusted chickens and coop w/ permethrin (Sevin). Haven't seen any lice or mites, but using because of all the feather loss, scratching, etc.

Today - I had made up my mind to do the 2nd worming w/ Valbazen, but a local vet suggested using Ivermectin 1%, orally. OK, so I bought some. She gave me dosages and directions. I had stopped in there to see if they had any Valbazen (MUCH closer than anywhere else I could buy it...)

Today - going to give the Ivermectin on a piece of bread to each chicken.

Questions:
1. Do I need to redust with the Sevin? I used wood ash about 1-1 1/2 months ago.
2. Since I used the Wazine, do I need to reworm after I dose them with this Ivermectin? I am suppose to bring in some random poop for her to check in 3 weeks.
3. She said throw eggs for 3 more weeks. I've already been tossing them since I dusted on July 31! Anyone eat them less than 3 weeks after treatment w/ Ivermectin? Also said not to EVER sell any eggs if I use anything that's off label.
4. Will the Ivermectin kill any and all types of worms that may be left PLUS larvae/eggs from any of the roundworms. I know the Wazine only kills adult worms.

Thanks for your help!

I agree with the others, valbazen wouldve been your best choice. FYI: Permethrin is not Sevin. Carbaryl is the active ingredient in Sevin dust.

 

[LittleBits]

I agree with the others, valbazen wouldve been your best choice. FYI: Permethrin is not Sevin. Carbaryl is the active ingredient in Sevin dust.

What brand names does permethrin come under then? Is permethrin as effective as Sevin? Thanks for clearing that up. Not sure where I got that from!

This vet said nothing kills all worms. But I've read on here that the valbazen kills all worms that chickens get - that would be the main thing. Not using it on anything else but chickens... so the next time I worm, I'll get some of it. Wish I could find it in a smaller container, though... don't really need 500 ml to treat 12 chickens.

Suppose twice a year is OK? Withdrawal time with the valbazen?

Thanks!

 

[dawg53]

Quote: The vet is wrong. Albendazole (valbazen) kills all types of worms that chickens can get like you mentioned. Check online at First State Vet Supply for a smaller bottle of valbazen. Withdrawal is 14 days after the last dosing.
Info on permethrin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permethrin
Ivermectin wont kill cecal, capillary, tapeworms in chickens. Large roundworms have built resistance to it as well. Here's a link:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1439-0450.1989.tb00635.x/abstract