Recessive wheaten question

[nicalandia]

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interesting pics in previous page <----

 

[berkeleysprings]

i am a total new-b compared to the pros here , im small time and no nothing about genetics lol but i did see yellow legs lol . im laughing because i made a rooke mistake , ... my 4 years of messing with a small number of wheaten marans useing same roo to daughters and sons and they all had white legs ... and when i tried to do sibling matings i got a few yellow leg chicks . with 7 hens and a roo . im such a noob !
but i will try to clear it up ,,,, all the birds i worked with had white lol

 

[berkeleysprings]

all the smart people here and i point out what a 2nd grader would know

 

[nicalandia]

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I just got confused about you pointing out yellow shanks.......

 

[cubakid]

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Saladin hasnt produced a Ginger hen... that is what were saying by line breeding for red breast and such... the female used is pure light wheaten, although there could be gene causing there to be light birds like this but i get light colored hens and males with half red breasts all the time. I think it is just one of those birds you breed that is the similar genetically but different Phenotypically, nothing added to cause it.

Zach

 

[saladin]

Zach is on the money.............

In other words, to produce a Ginger Red male you have to breed your BBR (wheaten) culls.

 

[tadkerson]

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Leg color in chickens can be a real pain at times because there are a number of genes involved in leg color. Birchen is a quirky allele and sometimes shows slate or gray color in a chicks legs at hatch and at other times it takes the the birds months to develop the leg color. I would say the color is due to the E locus allele- that would be birchen. The bird is at least heterozygous for the birchen allele.

Look at the difference in the leg color of the chicks I have posted.



It is not unusual for birds that carry the birchen allele to have the red on the head. I have seen pictures of others also.

Here is one of mine.



This pair of chicks have red faces and also have dark brown down due to the dark brown gene.



Nica,

I think the ginger red cubalaya is a handsome bird. It appears to be a columbian restricted wheaten. If the bird was dark brown it would be a burnt orange color similar to a dark buff color.


Here is a picture of one of my red top knots.



He is not ginger but he has the uniform red color I want.

Tim

 

[saladin]

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In Cubalayas, if you are working on the Blacks (based on that last chick?) any chicks that are produced with a red spot (usually on the back of the head) will show red in the mature plumage. On the way to pure black from wheatens you will have a lot of them and you'll have to use a quite a few along the way.

The females I produced were solid black from the beginning; it is the males that have been difficult. Reeder in his genetics book says you can't produce a solid black from a Wheaten: Craig Russell did with Shamos years ago and I have with Cubalayas... in female and male.

 

[DaveK]

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My experience is closely backed up by Henk's statements here. My Cubalayas were both a strain of partridge bred or stippled hens and also a typical Cubalaya wheaton but I never crossed them. But I did also work with wheaton Dorkings (GORGEOUS things) that had been resegregated out of a mish mash caused by three different types of red duckwing Dorkings getting crossed. There were the stippled hens, the wheaton hens and the black spangled mahogany red as bred in England. Males for these genetically distinct lines/colors were all red duckwings. The wheaton behaved as a recessive and disappeared and continued breeding sorted it back out. Once they were wheaton they stayed wheaton. Red duckwing including the wheaton type hens can be stuffed full of color modifiers. My always answer to why things like wheaton Dorkings are colored differently than the Cubalayas.

But it is also I believe a true and sensible answer. Easy enough for me who just wants to put a good bird on the ground. I don't need a genetic or DNA profile though that kind of thing can be interesting. Dave

 

[gallorojo]

Thanks for your insights, Dave. Always valuable!! Good to see you on here.