Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

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With Katy MIA for so long now, somebody has to give you a hard time.
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I admire your Hulk's Cornish type appearance even more knowing he's able to live-cover succesfully. I can't help but wonder if the White Cornish's apparent problems with reproduction aren't caused just as much or more by their limited numbers and so few breeders as it is by their build. Do you suppose the entire variety has become a bit inbred? Has anybody ever had a roo's semen tested for count and mobility? Could be the mention you made of the "major league" breeders now adding some Aseel to their lines may benefit the breed not only by returning it to a bit more functional leg, but by adding some new blood to what could possibly be a stagnant gene pool.

Speaking of functional legs, I watched some of my young CX pullets busily scratching through their hay to get the vegetable scraps and whole oats under it. I spent a bit of time watching my CX last year, both as chicks adults, and never once saw them scratch for food or grit, though their crossbred offspring did. Since I want to develope a bird suitable for a homestead type environment, the instinct and ability to turn over some dirt and vegetation is kind of important......................... though I don't think a bird with heavy meat and a fairly rapid growth rate can thrive without heavy supplemental feeding; and being too willing of a forager might be detrimental to feed conversion.
 
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I am REALLY looking forward to seeing your Aseel Cornish crosses.
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I think that is a FANTASTIC idea, and if I had another pen (maybe after we buy a house) I would LOVE to work on that too!
 
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Just wanted to post a picture of one of my Katy babies, this is Spot and here he is 11 weeks old. Standing next to a five gallon bucket. They are doing really well, however I REALLY like the way the Freedom Rangers are turning out (so far) we'll just have to see longevity and breeding with them.
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With Katy MIA for so long now, somebody has to give you a hard time.
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I admire your Hulk's Cornish type appearance even more knowing he's able to live-cover succesfully. I can't help but wonder if the White Cornish's apparent problems with reproduction aren't caused just as much or more by their limited numbers and so few breeders as it is by their build. Do you suppose the entire variety has become a bit inbred? Has anybody ever had a roo's semen tested for count and mobility? Could be the mention you made of the "major league" breeders now adding some Aseel to their lines may benefit the breed not only by returning it to a bit more functional leg, but by adding some new blood to what could possibly be a stagnant gene pool.

Speaking of functional legs, I watched some of my young CX pullets busily scratching through their hay to get the vegetable scraps and whole oats under it. I spent a bit of time watching my CX last year, both as chicks adults, and never once saw them scratch for food or grit, though their crossbred offspring did. Since I want to develope a bird suitable for a homestead type environment, the instinct and ability to turn over some dirt and vegetation is kind of important......................... though I don't think a bird with heavy meat and a fairly rapid growth rate can thrive without heavy supplemental feeding; and being too willing of a forager might be detrimental to feed conversion.

Well Cornish men have been contimplating this for decades, once the whites began to be bred to such extremes for show purposes the problems that were encountered became hard to overcome to bring the breed back to good breeding flocks. Most guy's got frustrated and got out of whites all together some stayed, those that stayed struggled and looked for way's to change it some refused and bucked the change. Some breeders went back and did cross the original foundation outcrosses back to the white but failed to hang in there long enough to make a difference, so there is now some older big original stuff out there and allot more of the gangly unrecognizable Cornish. The whites have become so rare it is so difficult to get some good pure new blood to infuse into our bloodlines like they used to do. Old time Cornish guy's loved to trade and swap birds to improve the breed, now that is impossible because nobody can afford to let any birds out of their sight for a second. It is truely sad but it is what it is, I know a few guy's with some LF whites but they look terrible and not worth using as it will set back any serious program way back, that would take yrs to recover from one single mating.

My only option is to go back to genetics school and try and bring back the bodies while culling for color and mixing and matching varieties in order to bring the whites back, it's my only last hope I feel. I plan on going to the 2 biggest shows of the year and the Cornish nationals in order to get a feel what was is going on out there to recover the variety, by visiting with other pro's and kicking some ideas around. and perhaps getting some birds who knows but I do know I am staying dedicated until the last bird is gone or flurishes.

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I have some white ones that have a ton of Asil in them and you sure can see more asil in them than cornish,
 
These are offspring from my good hens and a young Cornish roo that had heavy Asil influence, you can see that they are longer in the leg and neck and not going to be quite as wide bodied as I like or expected, the head is narrow with not as good a brow.

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I plan to work with them and cross to other Cornish colors to get the body back and cull heavy for color, this color thing may take awhile .........several generations as the offspring will throw some off color periodicly and will also cull from there.

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I really like the way those look Al, thank you for posting! They almost seem like little velociraptors!
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I like those a lot, they just seem to grab at me. Maybe I will start up a pen after we get our new house.
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