Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[galanie]

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Do you know, I was looking at pictures of my Orps at the same age and this thing looks much more like a big chested Orp than a strange cornish like I expected. And that's good, cause that's really what I'd rather have! Maybe having the papa be the Orp instead of the hen made the difference there.

 

[Minniechickmama]

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Since this is the Meatbird thread, I guess I should remember that color is not relative here. I admit, however, that I do like colorful birds.

I noticed at Crossroads that the true pattern specified in the SOP was weak even in the breeder's birds; though on average the WLRs there were heavier framed and muscled than the Whites. It could be that the Cornish bantam show breeder, that told me that crossing Darks and White Laced Reds back and forth can muddle color and patterns on both, is correct. It must take a very specific combination of genes to get that single, crisp white lace on the edge of a solid dark red feather.

I do know what you mean, Steve, but in this case, I was looking at the whole bird. If I could raise some WLRs with this kind of body PLUS the right coloration, I would be happy as a pig in mud. Or a chicken in the corn field after they just picked. Or as happy as a bunny in a clover patch. Or as happy as a dog with a fresh smoked beef shank.

 

[SteveH]

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Do you know, I was looking at pictures of my Orps at the same age and this thing looks much more like a big chested Orp than a strange cornish like I expected. And that's good, cause that's really what I'd rather have! Maybe having the papa be the Orp instead of the hen made the difference there.

I would think a a quality Orpington ought to make a good dual purpose bird with a decent looking carcass. I've got a big, lavender Orpington pullet that is planned to go in a Cornish breeding pen for awhile this winter.

 

[galanie]

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The daddy Orp is a big black fellow, breeder stock. Now for a stupid question: Why is it that most have the hen be the Orp rather than the sire? Egg size? I've been told that regardless of egg size, chick will grow large if the genes are there. I've also been told conflicting things: That it's important for the hen to be large, and that it's more important for the roo to be large. So which is it? Or does it even matter?

Or is it more that they have the cornish roo already anyway? I know it doesn't matter if he's so much bigger than her, she's a stout girl and stands up to the breeding very well. In fact she's the favorite and loves that roo to pieces

You should see them, it's cute.

 

[SteveH]

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The daddy Orp is a big black fellow, breeder stock. Now for a stupid question: Why is it that most have the hen be the Orp rather than the sire? Egg size? I've been told that regardless of egg size, chick will grow large if the genes are there. I've also been told conflicting things: That it's important for the hen to be large, and that it's more important for the roo to be large. So which is it? Or does it even matter?

Or is it more that they have the cornish roo already anyway? I know it doesn't matter if he's so much bigger than her, she's a stout girl and stands up to the breeding very well. In fact she's the favorite and loves that roo to pieces

You should see them, it's cute.

For me it's partly because high quality Cornish were very hard to find, so when they're laying I want to hatch as many purebreds as possible. Throwing some extra, off-breed pullets in their breeding pen will not negatively affect the number of purebreds I hatch.

 

[galanie]

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The daddy Orp is a big black fellow, breeder stock. Now for a stupid question: Why is it that most have the hen be the Orp rather than the sire? Egg size? I've been told that regardless of egg size, chick will grow large if the genes are there. I've also been told conflicting things: That it's important for the hen to be large, and that it's more important for the roo to be large. So which is it? Or does it even matter?

Or is it more that they have the cornish roo already anyway? I know it doesn't matter if he's so much bigger than her, she's a stout girl and stands up to the breeding very well. In fact she's the favorite and loves that roo to pieces

You should see them, it's cute.

For me it's partly because high quality Cornish were very hard to find, so when they're laying I want to hatch as many purebreds as possible. Throwing some extra, off-breed pullets in they're breeding pen will not negatively affect the number of purebreds I hatch.

Ah ok. so it's that you already have high quality cornish roos in your flock, pretty much. In that case, I'd throw in an Orp hen too. No sense getting another breed of rooster. Now it's making sense. We just use what we have, pretty much. That's really what I suspected.

 

[Kobey]

Hello all. My name is Karl.

I do not have much to contribute to this other than to say thank you!

I spent the last several days reading this thread and others from start to finish…links, related topics, and other posts included. I don’t know any of you but from this trip though time, from the months before Steve decided to get back into chickens (3-years ago)…Katys first photos of her “spiral” projects…Al’s spectacular entry into a Cornish breeding world (even at the cost of a meat bird project)…Big medicine, Pepper, KF, Jeff at Brunty, and so many more it has been astonishing journey.

From the losses to the progress, it’s truly been something special to have watched unfold.

More than once I wanted to jump in and ask questions or make suggestions…actually a couple of times I wanted to fly down and build Steve a different coop if only to save my own emotional rollercoaster from any more losses. Or suggest the plastic double walled ice block for watering birds in extreme heat over prolonged times.

So now that I’ve finished reading upwards of 5,000 posts I figured I knew enough to at the very least say again, thank you for sharing all of this.

And Cheers! to the mad Cornish scientists, the back yard hobbyists’, and those who love their color…on birds, their eggs, and even in coops.

 

[al6517]

Good day all, I hope today is kind to each of you. Well I decided to enter the western Cornish National show in December at Shawnee. Charley and I have been talking about making the plunge for some time now, but we wanted to take our time and really concentrate on raising some great prospects. We think we can splash the cages with young and old Lrg Fowl whites and WLR's and some Darks, we have a good variety of pullets, cockrels, hen's and Roosters in all Varieties. We should have almost 20 birds between us almost a full side in a row in itself, So I am excited to be able to be there.

AL

 

[Totalcolour]

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Al, even though I think you will do well, I'm still keeping fingers and toes crossed for you and Charlie. The little extra won't hurt. Good Luck

 

[Kobey]

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I can hardly wait to see what happens Al. I think what you have done (and are trying to do) is truly remarkable and even more…admirable. I wish you all the success you deserve and if by chance the Judges and their SOP not approve...may everyone else there see your own standards are that much better because of it.

Cheers.